Starmer and Rayner cleared.

[the other bob wilson]

Not sure if that’s good news for Labour.

[Rjk]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

I'd say it is. Not that I'm a fan of Starmer at all, but it would be pretty helpful to the "they're all as bad as each other" brigade if they were fined and Starmer resigned as well.
If both Labour and the Conservatives were having to select a new leader after one resigned it makes it seem as though there's an equivalence in their actions - which there isn't of course.

Let the Tories choose a new leader and see if they can get the general public to forget the lies and the shambles they've put us through

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

I'd say it is. Not that I'm a fan of Starmer at all, but it would be pretty helpful to the "they're all as bad as each other" brigade if they were fined and Starmer resigned as well.
If both Labour and the Conservatives were having to select a new leader after one resigned it makes it seem as though there's an equivalence in their actions - which there isn't of course.

Let the Tories choose a new leader and see if they can get the general public to forget the lies and the shambles they've put us through

It's been tough hasn't it

[Canton Kev]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

I’m not too surprised. Keir “party animal” Starmer isn’t exactly an easy picture to imagine.

[splott parker]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

It's been tough hasn't it

Never forget that it was on Johnson’s watch that Bale didn’t sign.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

I'd say it is. Not that I'm a fan of Starmer at all, but it would be pretty helpful to the "they're all as bad as each other" brigade if they were fined and Starmer resigned as well.
If both Labour and the Conservatives were having to select a new leader after one resigned it makes it seem as though there's an equivalence in their actions - which there isn't of course.

Let the Tories choose a new leader and see if they can get the general public to forget the lies and the shambles they've put us through

I’m watching last nights Question Time at the moment and the point was made well that Labour won Wakefield for anti Tory reasons - there was a survey that showed that the first twenty reasons why people switched from the Conservatives were negatives for them, there was nothing indicating that Labour has come up with anything to win them back. For myself, I’m far more an anti Tory now than I am pro Labour.

Starmer has said he has no intention of speaking to the SNP and we’re hearing nothing about altering the current, unfair, first past the post system. Labour and the other opposition parties have it in their power to rout the Tories, but, it’s not going to happen while Labour thinks they can form a majority Government on the back of dissatisfaction with the Conservatives.

[jon1959]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

Not sure if that’s good news for Labour.

From what I have read over the months that seems to be the right outcome.

But isn't this the police force that also cleared Dominic Cummings?

On balance it is 'good news' for Labour. But I have lost confidence that Labour is 'good news' for us. Better than the Tories but it is a very low bar!

[Rjk]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

I’m watching last nights Question Time at the moment and the point was made well that Labour won Wakefield for anti Tory reasons - there was a survey that showed that the first twenty reasons why people switched from the Conservatives were negatives for them, there was nothing indicating that Labour has come up with anything to win them back. For myself, I’m far more an anti Tory now than I am pro Labour.

Starmer has said he has no intention of speaking to the SNP and were hearing nothing about altering the current, unfair, first past the post system. Labour and the other opposition parties have it in their power to rout the Tories, but, it’s not going to happen while Labour thinks they can form a majority Government on the back of dissatisfaction with the Conservatives.

Yeah Starmer just hasn't done anything, really.

Initially I thought he was just keeping his powder dry as to go on a full offensive during the pandemic etc would have turned some voters off, but now I'm wondering if he's got a spark at all.
I have little doubt he'd be a better prime minister than Boris Johnson, who is a ridiculous man, but I don't think he has the buffoon's ability to inspire people to believe in him.

Even so, the Conservatives main problem at the moment is winning people's confidence back. Starmer and Rayner getting fines and then resigning as well would just hand them a massive open goal to dismiss the whole thing and move on.

Research has shown that the last 18 months before an election are by far the most important, as voters tend to forget what was going on before that, or diminish its importance. As such there will have been little actual benefit for Labour to have been pushing their own ideas up until now, as it just gives them more time to be shot down. I just hope they have actually got something to inspire people when the time comes.

[Dorcus]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

From what I have read over the months that seems to be the right outcome.

But isn't this the police force that also cleared Dominic Cummings?

On balance it is 'good news' for Labour. But I have lost confidence that Labour is 'good news' for us. Better than the Tories but it is a very low bar!

I think it is on balance good news. Hopefully it will shut up many more of the "they're all the same" brigade.

However in my opinion Starmer is a poor choice of Labour leader and there will be a perfect chance to replace him with his head held high when we get to know who the new Tory leader will be. It would be great to have a confident, charismatic progressive leader ready and fired up to start tackling the Tory incumbent.

But that may be sometime in the future. At the moment I'd happily settle for tactical voting to oust these incompetent charlatans. Anything, and I mean anything but the Tories!!!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Starmer and Rayner are hopeless , she's unelectable

Get rid of both of them

[Dorcus]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

Starmer and Rayner are hopeless , she's unelectable

Get rid of both of them

I'd give her one

[JamesWales]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

In the space of 24 hours, it does rather seem that the phrase One rule for us, another for everyone else applies to the Labour Party more now.

Morally, there is no way that travelling across the country and drinking booze and eating pizza in the evening prior to an election with people is less of an issue than people working together in the most important office in the country who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

Nonetheless, there we are.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

In the space of 24 hours, it does rather seem that the phrase One rule for us, another for everyone else applies to the Labour Party more now.

Morally, there is no way that travelling across the country and drinking booze and eating pizza in the evening prior to an election with people is less of an issue than people working together in the most important office in the country who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

Nonetheless, there we are.

I feel your pain. Must be awful for you. Crushed.

[The Bloop]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

In the space of 24 hours, it does rather seem that the phrase One rule for us, another for everyone else applies to the Labour Party more now.

Morally, there is no way that travelling across the country and drinking booze and eating pizza in the evening with people is less of an issue than people working together in the most important office in the country who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

Nonetheless, there we are.

What we're Starmer and Rayner celebrating? Was it a colleagues birthday or leaving do, and did it carry on until 3am after one of them had thrown up over the curtains? or were they just eating and a meal and having a drink as the majority of people (who can afford to) do every day?

[Claude Blue]

Re: Starmer and Rayner cleared.

In the space of 24 hours, it does rather seem that the phrase One rule for us, another for everyone else applies to the Labour Party more now.

Morally, there is no way that travelling across the country and drinking booze and eating pizza in the evening prior to an election with people is less of an issue than people working together in the most important office in the country who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

Nonetheless, there we are.

Of course JW knows more about this case than the Durham Constabulary as he truly is the font of all knowledge :hehe:

Thoughts and prayers to you at this difficult time.