Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Croesy Blue]

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I think that’s what the ones who criticised boris are doing. I’d say the ones who defended him such as yourself are a bit happier to criticise in wales though for some reason.

[xsnaggle]

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I think that’s what the ones who criticised boris are doing. I’d say the ones who defended him such as yourself are a bit happier to criticise in wales though for some reason.

I don't specially defend him or Drakeford, they are both pretty shite in their own ways.
But more to the point what is this "15 June " date he was spouting at lunchtime? i cannot find any reference to it until he answered that question. It is a further 3 weeks on form this current 3 weeks, so has he already decided he is keeping us locked down for another 3 weeks? Perhaps he has just let the cat out of the bag.

[the other bob wilson]

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June 15 is the date when those being sheltered will have been isolated for the twelve weeks that was talked about back in March isn't it.

I see loss of your sense of smell has now been added as a symptom you should self isolate for today.

[xsnaggle]

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June 15 is the date when those being sheltered will have been isolated for the twelve weeks that was talked about back in March isn't it.

I see loss of your sense of smell has now been added as a symptom you should self isolate for today.

OK. That makes sense then, thanks. I was thinking I'd missed something important

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/18/sage-advice-britain-coronavirus-science-government-policy

[goats]

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June 15 is the date when those being sheltered will have been isolated for the twelve weeks that was talked about back in March isn't it.

I see loss of your sense of smell has now been added as a symptom you should self isolate for today.

Wonder why they originally put that 12 week date? Seems farcical, what’s changed? 12 months more like else oxfords vaccine works then it might be October time

[the other bob wilson]

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Wonder why they originally put that 12 week date? Seems farcical, what’s changed? 12 months more like else oxfords vaccine works then it might be October time

Bit of a setback for the Oxford University vaccine research, but not all bad news, while the news from America is more promising;-

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-mixed-progress-on-coronavirus-vaccine-as-us-stocks-rise/

[the other bob wilson]

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Taken from the Guardian's rolling coverage this morning;-

"Excess deaths in UK reached almost 55,000 in early May, says ONS
Nick Stripe, head of the health analysis and life events division at the Office for National Statistics, told the BBC a few minutes ago that the total number of excess deaths in the UK - the number above what might expected at this time of year, judged by a five-year average, was just under 55,000 by early May.

Scientists, and ministers, have repeatedly said that the excess death figures will ultimately prove the most reliable guide as to how badly the UK has been hit by coronavirus.

Stripe told the BBC:

Across England and Wales up to 8 May we are now looking at an excess deaths figure of just under 50,000. If we look at the UK as a whole, that is just under 55,000 excess deaths.

So the gap between Covid-related and excess is about 25% of excess deaths are not explained by Covid being on the death certificate. And that is now a key area of research for us to get underneath that, to understand that.

Stripe said that within the next couple of weeks the ONS planned to publish more research looking at why the excess deaths figure was so high. But he said a report published by the ONS on Friday, on deaths in April, did shed some light on what was happening. He went on:

That showed that deaths from dementia and Alzheimer disease had gone up very, very significantly during April, as had deaths from something known as “ill-defined conditions”. That is often where the certifying doctor puts things like frailty or old age on the death certificate. Usually in the very old, where there might not be a specific morbidity, but the patient has been unwell, you’ll often get these ill-defined conditions. And they were up significantly as well in April.

Stripe said there could be two reasons for this increase. First “normal care pathways” could be disrupted; ie, fewer patients were going to hospital, because the hospitals were concentrating on coronavirus. Second, coronavirus might be a factor in these deaths, without doctors being able to confirm that. He explained:

There may be some cases where Covid is present but it is not obvious to the certifying doctor that that is the case.

And it may be the case that this big jump in the number of dementia and Alzheimer deaths could explain part of that reason there. It could well be that in the very old, if the patient is not able to describe their symptoms very well, there may be many other co-morbidities, that perhaps the doctor has not felt able, in the absence of a positive test, to put Covid on the death certificate."

[goats]

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Coronavirus: Cancer surgery delays risk 'thousands' of deaths https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52722150

No shiiiiiiiit

[Rjk]

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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/19/mps-hear-why-hong-kong-had-no-covid-19-care-home-deaths?__twitter_impression=true

[lardy]

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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...mpression=true

Regular testing and tracing those who had contact to isolate them.

Who'd have thought that would work?

[Croesy Blue]

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Sweden now havé highest deaths per capita, shows how important the lockdown has been really. Imagine how bad we would have been otherwise.

[life on mars]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52738526

A call has been made for the Welsh Government to be investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commission over fears older people's rights could have been breached.

The Older People's Commissioner for Wales says comprehensive testing for Covid-19 in care homes was "too slow".

She has questioned whether the "right to life" had been breached and raised the issue with the EHRC.

The health minister said he "didn't recognise" a breach and said the policy was based on scientific advice.

Since lockdown began, 27% of the coronavirus deaths in Wales have been care home residents, according to the Office for National Statistics. This figure does not include those care home residents who died after being transferred to hospital.

Questions are now being asked whether more lives could have been saved had testing rules been different.

[ToTaL ITK]

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Sweden now havé highest deaths per capita, shows how important the lockdown has been really. Imagine how bad we would have been otherwise.

We are in a battle with our council employer to try to get them do to something anything at all to help us.It's just business as usual and stop making a fuss.

[goats]

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Crikey....

Coronavirus: Wales' 19 field hospitals cost £166m to build https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52752976

No mention of this on here....35 patients.