Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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While the EU vaccine fight heats up worth remembering that many countries haven't been able to vaccinate anyone yet. In the whole of Sub-Saharan Africa there have been 55 vaccinations.

https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1354495159396925440

We're either going to have to close our borders to these parts of the world for a long, long time or start helping out more. Probably both.

[Croesy Blue]

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We're either going to have to close our borders to these parts of the world for a long, long time or start helping out more. Probably both.

In Fairness the one thing the UK has done well with is procurement of vaccines and being involved in covax which aims to give poorer countries access to vaccines.

Also we do have great scientists in this country so our sequencing of the cases has been excellent too.

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There have been some basic mistakes :

Firstly an ill prepared health service. Lack of PPE, lack of specialist equipment, lack of capacity. An organisation now ruled by bureaucracy and slow to react. There is no doubt the service needs more money and an organisational overall.

Secondly...Reluctance to act fast on lockdowns, then easing them too quickly, coupled with lax compliance by sectors of the public, modest punishment for rule breakers, plus a soft touch police force. A four nations approach caused confusion.

Third....muddled thinking...politics v science...created some big mistakes...care home residents returning after hospitalisation without tests, an inadequate track and trace system, delay in insistence on mask wearing, airports open etc

The one big plus for me is the speed in which we procured vaccines, and in quantity

I don't know why you bother, you're trying to push water uphill

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What type of evidence would you like? The Government during the first wave saying 20,000 deaths would be a catastrophe, other countries of similar population and density having a much lower death rate? Do you not thing a large majority of those 100,000 deaths is due to the negligence and slow reactions of this government?

Why have Japan, South Korea, Taiwan all done better than us despite being closer to the epicentre? Why does even the US have lower deaths per capita than us?

Which part of that 100,000 being the fault of the government do you disagree with?

Watched a documentary on Taiwan the other day, they said they’ve been preparing for this type event for 20 years, they were ready.
Reckon we had been?

[lardy]

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Watched a documentary on Taiwan the other day, they said they’ve been preparing for this type event for 20 years, they were ready.
Reckon we had been?

The UK used to have one of the best pandemic response plans in the world. Lots of Asian countries actually copied it.

But in 2020, the UK government didn't follow it.

[Vindec]

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What type of evidence would you like? The Government during the first wave saying 20,000 deaths would be a catastrophe, other countries of similar population and density having a much lower death rate? Do you not thing a large majority of those 100,000 deaths is due to the negligence and slow reactions of this government?

Why have Japan, South Korea, Taiwan all done better than us despite being closer to the epicentre? Why does even the US have lower deaths per capita than us?

Which part of that 100,000 being the fault of the government do you disagree with?

I would like the evidence to support your contention that 100000 deaths have been caused by negligence. It's not a difficult request; you either have it or you don't. I couldn't be clearer. All you are attempting to do is divert me from your original assertion that 100000 deaths have been caused by negligence. Your statements imply that every single death has been caused by negligence and all I am asking for is proof that your assertions are accurate. You now seem to be changing tack claiming the large majority of deaths are caused by by negligence. Stop being slimy. Just admit you are wrong.

[Croesy Blue]

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I would like the evidence to support your contention that 100000 deaths have been caused by negligence. It's not a difficult request; you either have it or you don't. I couldn't be clearer. All you are attempting to do is divert me from your original assertion that 100000 deaths have been caused by negligence. Your statements imply that every single death has been caused by negligence and all I am asking for is proof that your assertions are accurate. You now seem to be changing tack claiming the large majority of deaths are caused by by negligence. Stop being slimy. Just admit you are wrong.

Sorry mate yeah only about 80,000 of the deaths have been caused by negligence fomr the government. Glad you are here to hold the real villians to account while sticking up for the little men running the country like a dodgy business!

I'm not sure what sort of proof you want other than what's in the news every day.

Or would you like to wait until the enquiry into this happens?

[Hilts]

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Where do they get them from.

https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-tory-mp-sir-desmond-swayne-urged-anti-vaxxers-to-persist-against-covid-restrictions-12200667?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16118244495663&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcovid-19-tory-mp-sir-desmond-swayne-urged-anti-vaxxers-to-persist-against-covid-restrictions-12200667

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What type of evidence would you like? The Government during the first wave saying 20,000 deaths would be a catastrophe, other countries of similar population and density having a much lower death rate? Do you not thing a large majority of those 100,000 deaths is due to the negligence and slow reactions of this government?

Why have Japan, South Korea, Taiwan all done better than us despite being closer to the epicentre? Why does even the US have lower deaths per capita than us?

Which part of that 100,000 being the fault of the government do you disagree with?

for some reason you are quick to criticise the government for ignoring the scientists, but then choose to ignore the scientists for expediency when it suits.

The current thinking, back by genetic tracing, is that around 1300 different sources of Covid came into the UK, with quite a considerably number coming in via Heathrow without the carrier ever setting foot on UK soil. Heathrow is a significant travel hub with many of its passengers never actually venturing beyond UK border control. Closing the borders would have had little or no effect.

You conveniently ignore the density of the UK, with its major cities and the majority of its population being within 2-3 hours of each other. This has had a significant impact on the spread of the disease.

History and hindsight will show that many mistakes have been made and things could have been done better, not just by Boris and UKG, but by Drakeford and WG which is something you always ignore. A case in point is the current vaccine roll out in Wales, which is shambolic - people having their 2nd shot being cancelled is just not acceptable. Unsurprisingly you rather quiet on this particular issue.

The 4 home nations have got it wrong and the lack of joined up thinking and confusing rules that differed between the 4 nations, sometimes changing by the hour certainly didn't help. What also did not help was a large part of the UK population ignoring the advice and socialising as if nothing was happening.

There's little point in you responding, but if you do, as is your right, then in the interest of brevity why not just respond with "Labour Good, Tory Bad" which sums up just about every post you make on the subject.

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Watched a documentary on Taiwan the other day, they said they’ve been preparing for this type event for 20 years, they were ready.
Reckon we had been?

they have had much more experience of this than we have: SARS, MERS and so on. Its hardly surprising they are better prepared.

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No.

There is far more than a few basic mistakes.

This doesnt go close.

do you agree that Mark Drakeford and the Welsh government have made significant mistakes too?

[Hilts]

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do you agree that Mark Drakeford and the Welsh government have made significant mistakes too?

Of course.

[lisvaneblue]

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I don't know why you bother, you're trying to push water uphill

I think that applies to you as well

[Croesy Blue]

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for some reason you are quick to criticise the government for ignoring the scientists, but then choose to ignore the scientists for expediency when it suits.

The current thinking, back by genetic tracing, is that around 1300 different sources of Covid came into the UK, with quite a considerably number coming in via Heathrow without the carrier ever setting foot on UK soil. Heathrow is a significant travel hub with many of its passengers never actually venturing beyond UK border control. Closing the borders would have had little or no effect.

You conveniently ignore the density of the UK, with its major cities and the majority of its population being within 2-3 hours of each other. This has had a significant impact on the spread of the disease.

History and hindsight will show that many mistakes have been made and things could have been done better, not just by Boris and UKG, but by Drakeford and WG which is something you always ignore. A case in point is the current vaccine roll out in Wales, which is shambolic - people having their 2nd shot being cancelled is just not acceptable. Unsurprisingly you rather quiet on this particular issue.

The 4 home nations have got it wrong and the lack of joined up thinking and confusing rules that differed between the 4 nations, sometimes changing by the hour certainly didn't help. What also did not help was a large part of the UK population ignoring the advice and socialising as if nothing was happening.

There's little point in you responding, but if you do, as is your right, then in the interest of brevity why not just respond with "Labour Good, Tory Bad" which sums up just about every post you make on the subject.

I don't think labour good tory bad though, I don't even know why that comes into it. I do think the response in Wales has been shambolic, especially with the vaccine.

I'm not ignoring population density though am I? Equally dense countries have got half the deaths of the uk while not having the benefit of being an island nation.

So how did all the variants get into heathrow without the carrier ever getting onto UK soil?

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In Fairness the one thing the UK has done well with is procurement of vaccines and being involved in covax which aims to give poorer countries access to vaccines.

Also we do have great scientists in this country so our sequencing of the cases has been excellent too.

COVAX, the global WHO led effort to vaccinate lower income countries, has only allocated 300m doses to Africa in total which is just 20% of the population. WHO hasn't yet approved any vaccines except Pfizer. It's all too slow.

https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1354495778769801217

We do have great scientists and supporting them will probably be seen as the best thing Boris/Cummings did, but more still needs to done to spread vaccines around the world.