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  • Re: Coronavirus update

    Originally posted by blue matt View Post
    lets be honest, most said Cummings was a Liar over the years, now he is acting like a Bitter Jilted Psycho ex-girlfriend he becomes even more of a liability for the truth, but he is now a friend of any left leaning person, the truth doesnt matter to them for political point scoring
    It's interesting to look back just over a year at the thread about Cummings' appearance in front of the media in which he tried to explain away his jaunt to Barnard's Castle and to how those posters who defend the current UK Government responded at the time;-



    To be fair to someone like Vindec, he was very clear in his opinion that Cummings had to go and that was the impression I got from Elwood as well. There were some others who put their heads above the parapet to offer what seemed to me a somewhat half hearted defence of the man and then there were people like you who, presumably, to use a phrase that appeared in the thread, wanted the whole thing to "blow over".

    Strange now then that you and one or two others are adamant that Cummings is a liar and always has been and yet you were unwilling to be so outspoken about him last year when Johnson, and many in his party, were insisting there was nothing wrong in the way he behaved.

    Why should this be? Was your silence last year down to the fact that Cummings was on the inside of a Conservative Government then and so had to be protected accordingly?

    Do you really believe that Cummings just made up everything he said in his testimony to that Committee of MPs back in May?

    How about the farce yesterday, whereby the PM and Chancellor were exempt from isolation, then they weren't and then Johnson "explained" it away by claiming he had briefly considered () claiming an exemption because he was part of some scheme that was unheard of until yesterday, but thought better of it - that might have worked were it not for the fact that it had been announced he and Sunak were exempt hours earlier.

    You're in no position to lecture those of us on the left about supporting Cummings. Based on what I've seen and read, people know what Cummings is, but look at his testimony in May and think, in this instance, there is a ring of truth to it. You're probably one of those Conservatives who trot out the line about people in the south Wales valleys voting for anything that wears a red rosette, but your actions, or, to be more exact, inaction over the past year marks you out as someone who does the same as long as long as the rosette is blue.

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        Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
        what are they protesting?

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          Boris Johnson warns of "continuing risk" posed by nightclubs as he says from September clubbers will have to be double vaccinated to attend.

          By that's 8 weeks away - will surely face questions over wisdom of allowing them to open today?

          PM says 3 million of 18-30 age group have yet to take up their vaccine offer. Hope in govt is that nightclub vaccine passport plan will boost take-up.

          Chief Scientist Patrick Vallance says that nightclubs can be "super spreader events".
          He adds: "I would expect we will continue to see an increase in cases."
          Again, it's not even 18 hours since they opened them.

          https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/stat...56810855919620
          If you're going to remove legal restrictions then clear messaging to ensure good understanding matters. Can anyone work out the theory behind this one?

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            Originally posted by surge View Post
            If you're going to remove legal restrictions then clear messaging to ensure good understanding matters. Can anyone work out the theory behind this one?
            Dirty nightclubbing youngsters to be blamed for the next lockdown, a useful tool to deflect blame from his government's repeated failings

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              Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
              It's interesting to look back just over a year at the thread about Cummings' appearance in front of the media in which he tried to explain away his jaunt to Barnard's Castle and to how those posters who defend the current UK Government responded at the time;-



              To be fair to someone like Vindec, he was very clear in his opinion that Cummings had to go and that was the impression I got from Elwood as well. There were some others who put their heads above the parapet to offer what seemed to me a somewhat half hearted defence of the man and then there were people like you who, presumably, to use a phrase that appeared in the thread, wanted the whole thing to "blow over".

              Strange now then that you and one or two others are adamant that Cummings is a liar and always has been and yet you were unwilling to be so outspoken about him last year when Johnson, and many in his party, were insisting there was nothing wrong in the way he behaved.

              Why should this be? Was your silence last year down to the fact that Cummings was on the inside of a Conservative Government then and so had to be protected accordingly?

              Do you really believe that Cummings just made up everything he said in his testimony to that Committee of MPs back in May?

              How about the farce yesterday, whereby the PM and Chancellor were exempt from isolation, then they weren't and then Johnson "explained" it away by claiming he had briefly considered () claiming an exemption because he was part of some scheme that was unheard of until yesterday, but thought better of it - that might have worked were it not for the fact that it had been announced he and Sunak were exempt hours earlier.

              You're in no position to lecture those of us on the left about supporting Cummings. Based on what I've seen and read, people know what Cummings is, but look at his testimony in May and think, in this instance, there is a ring of truth to it. You're probably one of those Conservatives who trot out the line about people in the south Wales valleys voting for anything that wears a red rosette, but your actions, or, to be more exact, inaction over the past year marks you out as someone who does the same as long as long as the rosette is blue.
              Thanks for acknowledging the fact that I said Cummings should have gone from the outset. I call things out as I see them but that can't be said for everyone.Leaving the Cummings issue aside, the points you make can in general just as easily be attributed to those who vote Labour as well as Conservative on the various threads that appear on these pages. As I see it the difference is that some people vote for political parties at elections based on their policies at the time; they do not always vote for a Party because that is the only way they have always voted. There is very little criticism of Starmer on these pages but after more than a year as Leader I still haven't the foggiest what he stands for but as a contributor on here I feel there is absolutely no point in making any points about his performance as I will only get shouted down. Life is too short. My guess is that others who don't follow the views of the majority on here feel the same.

              I know it's hard to accept, but for many voters had two choices at the last election - Corbyn (potentially dangerous with a radical following) or the buffoon Johnson. Johnson came out on top as the least worst option but what I don't get is that left leaning contributors always seem to decry those who voted differently.

              As far as I'm concerned I believe that Johnson will have to resign if this idiotic relaxation of the COVID restrictions results in hospitals getting swamped with COVID patients. That is not a view based on politics but is based on how I feel. I will happily criticise anyone, irrespective of political allegiance, if I happen to disagree with them.

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                Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                It's interesting to look back just over a year at the thread about Cummings' appearance in front of the media in which he tried to explain away his jaunt to Barnard's Castle and to how those posters who defend the current UK Government responded at the time;-



                To be fair to someone like Vindec, he was very clear in his opinion that Cummings had to go and that was the impression I got from Elwood as well. There were some others who put their heads above the parapet to offer what seemed to me a somewhat half hearted defence of the man and then there were people like you who, presumably, to use a phrase that appeared in the thread, wanted the whole thing to "blow over".

                Strange now then that you and one or two others are adamant that Cummings is a liar and always has been and yet you were unwilling to be so outspoken about him last year when Johnson, and many in his party, were insisting there was nothing wrong in the way he behaved.

                Why should this be? Was your silence last year down to the fact that Cummings was on the inside of a Conservative Government then and so had to be protected accordingly?

                Do you really believe that Cummings just made up everything he said in his testimony to that Committee of MPs back in May?

                How about the farce yesterday, whereby the PM and Chancellor were exempt from isolation, then they weren't and then Johnson "explained" it away by claiming he had briefly considered () claiming an exemption because he was part of some scheme that was unheard of until yesterday, but thought better of it - that might have worked were it not for the fact that it had been announced he and Sunak were exempt hours earlier.

                You're in no position to lecture those of us on the left about supporting Cummings. Based on what I've seen and read, people know what Cummings is, but look at his testimony in May and think, in this instance, there is a ring of truth to it. You're probably one of those Conservatives who trot out the line about people in the south Wales valleys voting for anything that wears a red rosette, but your actions, or, to be more exact, inaction over the past year marks you out as someone who does the same as long as long as the rosette is blue.
                I don’t think many defended the twat did they? Moreover, what happened to Heisenberg, ccfc3po and Wales bales? The latter two ripe for being multis mind

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                  Over 60% of the people in hospital with COVID infection have not had even a first dose of vaccine. Begs the question why not? Something for our statisticians to take a look at I think.

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                    Originally posted by goats View Post
                    I don’t think many defended the twat did they? Moreover, what happened to Heisenberg, ccfc3po and Wales bales? The latter two ripe for being multis mind
                    Heisenberg asked for his account to be deleted because of the moderation on here.

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                      Originally posted by Gofer Blue View Post
                      Over 60% of the people in hospital with COVID infection have not had even a first dose of vaccine. Begs the question why not? Something for our statisticians to take a look at I think.
                      More a job for the behavioural psychologists, although the vaccine uptake in the young will probably shoot up in order to get a 'nightclub' passport.

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                        Originally posted by goats View Post
                        I don’t think many defended the twat did they? Moreover, what happened to Heisenberg, ccfc3po and Wales bales? The latter two ripe for being multis mind
                        I think the middle one is posting under a different name now and I notice that Wales Bales and Feedback both use/used "Inside your head" as their strap line on here.

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                          Originally posted by Vindec View Post
                          Thanks for acknowledging the fact that I said Cummings should have gone from the outset. I call things out as I see them but that can't be said for everyone.Leaving the Cummings issue aside, the points you make can in general just as easily be attributed to those who vote Labour as well as Conservative on the various threads that appear on these pages. As I see it the difference is that some people vote for political parties at elections based on their policies at the time; they do not always vote for a Party because that is the only way they have always voted. There is very little criticism of Starmer on these pages but after more than a year as Leader I still haven't the foggiest what he stands for but as a contributor on here I feel there is absolutely no point in making any points about his performance as I will only get shouted down. Life is too short. My guess is that others who don't follow the views of the majority on here feel the same.

                          I know it's hard to accept, but for many voters had two choices at the last election - Corbyn (potentially dangerous with a radical following) or the buffoon Johnson. Johnson came out on top as the least worst option but what I don't get is that left leaning contributors always seem to decry those who voted differently.

                          As far as I'm concerned I believe that Johnson will have to resign if this idiotic relaxation of the COVID restrictions results in hospitals getting swamped with COVID patients. That is not a view based on politics but is based on how I feel. I will happily criticise anyone, irrespective of political allegiance, if I happen to disagree with them.
                          I looked the Worldometer stats for yesterday and of all new cases reported in Europe for that day 35% were in UK. Whatever your views on Covid rules that's a big number.

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                            Originally posted by lardy View Post
                            Heisenberg asked for his account to be deleted because of the moderation on here.
                            Cracks me up when I hear this, it’s a football message board ffs. Most of the time it’s not been about football of late. People don’t agree with other folks opinions, it’s life, plenty of total bellends out there plus some very decent people. I wonder who H has come back as? He was far too opinionated to just leave…..

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                              Originally posted by lisvaneblue View Post
                              I looked the Worldometer stats for yesterday and of all new cases reported in Europe for that day 35% were in UK. Whatever your views on Covid rules that's a big number.
                              Delta variant will soon swamp Europe as they open up, as just proved in Holland alone. If they haven’t vaccinated highly then they are in trouble…..

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                                Originally posted by goats View Post
                                Delta variant will soon swamp Europe as they open up, as just proved in Holland alone. If they haven’t vaccinated highly then they are in trouble…..
                                On the subject of vaccinations, I see Germany have overtaken us now in terms of total jabs given.



                                I saw a chart last week which said our rate of vaccination has declined recently which is a surprise to me. While I can understand that it gets progressively harder to get everyone to agree to being vaccinated because you're getting to the stage where you're up against anti vaxers and youngsters who know that Covid is very, very unlikely to kill them, I wouldn't have thought that, with not much over fifty per cent in the UK having had two vaccines, we've reached that stage yet.

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