Fascism?

[jon1959]

Re: Fascism?

This forum is full to the brim of old clueless racist bootlicking right wing nutjobs. Just go to the other Cardiff forum where you'd feel more at home.

To be fair there are two other Cardiff forums. One fits your description absolutely, the other doesn’t (thankfully).

[JamesWales]

Re: Fascism?

Point six on the fascism list

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...bc-news-output

Does this not rather prove that she had her agenda and biases all the while she was at the BBC?

[Lither_1927]

Re: Fascism?

Does this not rather prove that she had her agenda and biases all the while she was at the BBC?

Anyone who watched Newsnight could tell she was a raving Marxist. As is Ian Katz, the head of Newsnight. The beeb is Maŕxist to it's core, this is only news worthy because of how rare it is to have a "Conservative" pulling in an impartial direction. The modern Conservative party isn't really that Conservative, it's liberal and have ceded ground in the culture war for years. Bob Wilson hasn't read Fascist intellectuals, i have and the idea that the modern day Conservative party is Fascist is for the birds. It's the stuff of left wing fear mongering from activists on Twitter.

[Rjk]

Re: Fascism?

Anyone who watched Newsnight could tell she was a raving Marxist. As is Ian Katz, the head of Newsnight. The beeb is Maŕxist to it's core, this is only news worthy because of how rare it is to have a "Conservative" pulling in an impartial direction. The modern Conservative party isn't really that Conservative, it's liberal and have ceded ground in the culture war for years. Bob Wilson hasn't read Fascist intellectuals, i have and the idea that the modern day Conservative party is Fascist is for the birds. It's the stuff of left wing fear mongering from activists on Twitter.

Are you sure you know what Marxist means? It seems to be a catchall term you use for anyone or anything you don't like.

The idea that the very pro-establishment BBC is marxist to the core is genuinely hilarious.

Yes we know you've read Oswald Mosely's musings and nobody is in the least bit surprised or impressed.
Of course the current Tory parts aren't fascist, but their actions in a lot of areas are quite possibly enabling some future government to take that dark path.

[JamesWales]

Re: Fascism?

How about we stop throwing around Marxism and Fascism accusations so much? All a bit daft.

The BBC is pretty signed up to most 'identity politics' ways of thinking, and I do query many of it's editorial decisions - I don't think it's reflective of the country. On the other hand, it is neither government nor commercially run, it has a commitment to (a degree of) balance which many countries are envious of and it is generally a reliable source for topics.

I think that Emily Maitlis is completely wrong. She cites her being reprimanded for what was undeniably a political polemic piece, but will ignore things like this, which show the channels flagship debating programme having a 2:1 Remainer bias during years when that was the biggest political debate going.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/04/10/its-official-question-time-is-a-remainer-stronghold/

[JamesWales]

Re: Fascism?

More on that BBC bias btw:

https://iea.org.uk/media/iea-analysis-shows-systemic-bias-against-leave-supporters-on-flagship-bbc-political-programmes/

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Fascism?

Are you sure you know what Marxist means? It seems to be a catchall term you use for anyone or anything you don't like.

The idea that the very pro-establishment BBC is marxist to the core is genuinely hilarious.

Yes we know you've read Oswald Mosely's musings and nobody is in the least bit surprised or impressed.
Of course the current Tory parts aren't fascist, but their actions in a lot of areas are quite possibly enabling some future government to take that dark path.

There’s a lot of assumptions being made by people in this thread (including by me I’d guess) that they know what living in a fascist state is like - we don’t and I would argue that we may be closer to it than we suspect.

I’ve said before on here that, in the manner of Rick on the Young Ones, I’d use the word “fascist” to describe those who I suspected of being mildly right of centre, but it was a joke which I grew out of decades ago. Reading Lither’s latest contributions, I can only assume that he’s still using “Marxists” in the same manner from the other side of the political fence.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Fascism?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/25/bbc-agent-tory-party-bias-news-media-emily-maitlis-mactaggart-lecture

[JamesWales]

Re: Fascism?

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...aggart-lecture

She's just bitter..and trying to prove the BBC doesn't have a middle class, left-wing, liberal bias by writing in Britains foremost middle class left-wing liberal newspaper

Essentially, what she said was opinion and it wasn't impartial. She said:

"Dominic Cummings broke the rules. The country can see that but it is shocked the government cannot [and] Boris Johnson has chosen to ignore it. Tonight we consider what the blind loyalty tells us about the inner workings of number 10"

The bit's in Bold are NOT facts. They are her opinion and not backed up by reality. Durham police investigated and he was not charged.

It's no different to someone on the BBC saying Keir Starmer broke the rules but is shocked the Labour party cannot see it etc etc.

If that happened can you imagine the uproar?

The BBC needs to stick to facts and be impartial. It's not hard. She was rightly rebuked. If she wants to air her personal opinion, there are plenty of places for it..and she's found one in the guardian there.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Fascism?

She's just bitter..and trying to prove the BBC doesn't have a middle class, left-wing, liberal bias by writing in Britains foremost middle class left-wing liberal newspaper

Essentially, what she said was opinion and it wasn't impartial. She said:

"Dominic Cummings broke the rules. The country can see that but it is shocked the government cannot [and] Boris Johnson has chosen to ignore it. Tonight we consider what the blind loyalty tells us about the inner workings of number 10"

The bit's in Bold are NOT facts. They are her opinion and not backed up by reality. Durham police investigated and he was not charged.

It's no different to someone on the BBC saying Keir Starmer broke the rules but is shocked the Labour party cannot see it etc etc.

If that happened can you imagine the uproar?

The BBC needs to stick to facts and be impartial. It's not hard. She was rightly rebuked. If she wants to air her personal opinion, there are plenty of places for it..and she's found one in the guardian there.

What bits that you highlighted in bold we’re proved to be wrong?

[Lither_1927]

Re: Fascism?

She's just bitter..and trying to prove the BBC doesn't have a middle class, left-wing, liberal bias by writing in Britains foremost middle class left-wing liberal newspaper

Essentially, what she said was opinion and it wasn't impartial. She said:

"Dominic Cummings broke the rules. The country can see that but it is shocked the government cannot [and] Boris Johnson has chosen to ignore it. Tonight we consider what the blind loyalty tells us about the inner workings of number 10"

The bit's in Bold are NOT facts. They are her opinion and not backed up by reality. Durham police investigated and he was not charged.

It's no different to someone on the BBC saying Keir Starmer broke the rules but is shocked the Labour party cannot see it etc etc.

If that happened can you imagine the uproar?

The BBC needs to stick to facts and be impartial. It's not hard. She was rightly rebuked. If she wants to air her personal opinion, there are plenty of places for it..and she's found one in the guardian there.

Completely agree

[Tito Fuente]

Re: Fascism?

My name is an anagram of Hitler, there's no denying that, but it wasn't intentional.
Hitler was a National Socialist from what i gather. That's slightly different from fascism.

This bump is for you, James.

This is not a one-off.

[JamesWales]

Re: Fascism?

This bump is for you, James.

This is not a one-off.

Yes Tito. You have quoted a random anonymous bloke on an Internet forum to illustrate your argument that the term 'National Socialist' is some kind of 'alt right' term.

I quoted a speech made by Olaf Scholtz, the German Chancellor and member of left of centre Social Democratic Party to illustrate my argument that it is not.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/08/ukraine-will-prevail-as-europe-did-in-1945-scholz-says-in-ve-day-speech

Perhaps the lesson here, and one we all should heed is that we shouldn't listen to nutters on the internet so much?

[Tito Fuente]

Re: Fascism?

Yes Tito. You have quoted a random anonymous bloke on an Internet forum to illustrate your argument that the term 'National Socialist' is some kind of 'alt right' term.

I quoted a speech made by Olaf Scholtz, the German Chancellor and member of left of centre Social Democratic Party to illustrate my argument that it is not.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/08/ukraine-will-prevail-as-europe-did-in-1945-scholz-says-in-ve-day-speech

Perhaps the lesson here, and one we all should heed is that we shouldn't listen to nutters on the internet so much?

Yes I have done that. It was to give you an example of something (that you deny exists) being used on this very platform.

It's not "listening to nutters" though, is it? It's pointing out that there is a pattern emerging online of a certain sect trying to fabricate a narrative that the Nazis were socialists and not fascists.

I don't understand why it's a bone of contention that I am bringing attention to this fact.

[Tito Fuente]

Re: Fascism?

Yes Tito. You have quoted a random anonymous bloke on an Internet forum to illustrate your argument that the term 'National Socialist' is some kind of 'alt right' term.

I quoted a speech made by Olaf Scholtz, the German Chancellor and member of left of centre Social Democratic Party to illustrate my argument that it is not.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/08/ukraine-will-prevail-as-europe-did-in-1945-scholz-says-in-ve-day-speech

Perhaps the lesson here, and one we all should heed is that we shouldn't listen to nutters on the internet so much?

Sorry, to clarify one last time: I wasn't pointing out that it's an alt-right term.

I'm pointing out that it's mostly used on social media by the alt/far right to claim that the Nazis were socialists.