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Was that the article by the guy who had covered woman's football for over 20 years as a reporter and had witnessed its rise from obscurity to a game filling Wembley? If so It seemed like a very personal perspective based on his career covering the women’s game.

[Michael Morris]

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Yes I have to agree with the flower man this place has become hysterical. I wish my muscle memory would stop me clicking on the web icon. Life’s too short to waste on here reading people getting hysterical for nothing.

Context is everything, Souness meant it was a man’s game from the physical aspect and in modern times we had somehow moved away from it with a lot of play acting, feigning injury.etc

He was commentating on a MENS football match played by 22 MEN. To suggest he was saying it’s a man’s game and therefore it’s not a woman’s game is an absolute nonsense.

Exactly.

[JamesWales]

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It was probably an opinion piece, no more, no less. To some people, the women winning the Euro's would be bigger than 1966. It's a personal thing. Nobody is telling anyone how to think

I agree with you there. It's more the slightly Orwellian elements on the side where you can't really criticise the game. And I enjoyed it as I say.

[Michael Morris]

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I think it's more a case of a very small number of incels infecting this board. It may well only be 2 or 3 but using multiple log ins. The boards moderator has failed to spot this or, more likely, is supportive of their views. This thread sums up the consequence of his inaction.

The modern world terrifies them. Change is always bad and they feel threatened. They see conspiracy theories everywhere. They are the true snowflakes, scared of their own shadow.

Quite a few sane, sensible posters have left of late and I can't say I blame them.

That statement is simply not true.

If someone is upsetting you then offer a better counter argument or report directly to me with specific incidents where people cross the line.

The moderation is loose to allow people to express themselves and be educated if they are in the wrong. It's not a dictatorship on here. Your views are the story, not my policing.

I don't like multi's and I'm a bit shit in spotting them. But once alerted I can investigate.

If you have an issue with moderation then that's my responsibility.

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Who is the dark haired Scottish lass on final score ? 🤔

[19bluebirds27]

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No way did Souness imply that the game belonged to “males”. What he meant was he enjoyed the game in the committed
manor in which it was played and perhaps a certain level of maturity, integrity and experience in which you would expect from a man over a boy.

[Lither_1927]

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It was probably an opinion piece, no more, no less. To some people, the women winning the Euro's would be bigger than 1966. It's a personal thing. Nobody is telling anyone how to think

"An opinion piece. No more, no less"... Except opinion pieces in media will shape opinion in the way an editor sees fit, on behalf of the publications rich owners. Or am i being cynical? Or maybe your take is a bit facile.

[Lither_1927]

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There’s one woman commentator that shouts and screeches and it’s made me turn off games.

I think it's the one on 5live who is across everything of late. Vicki Sparks. A really fake, slightly grandiose voice. Pure affection. It's truly awful to endure the fakeness.

[Lither_1927]

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I think it's the one on 5live who is across everything of late. Vicki Sparks. A really fake, slightly grandiose voice. Pure affection. It's truly awful to endure the fakeness.

"Affectation" not Affection.

[the other bob wilson]

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It was probably an opinion piece, no more, no less. To some people, the women winning the Euro's would be bigger than 1966. It's a personal thing. Nobody is telling anyone how to think

It was, a daft opinion in my view, but something the snowflakes could claim signalled the end of mens football as we know it - this thread is ridiculous.

[the other bob wilson]

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If you’re going to make comparisons between the men and women pundits achievements prob best not to make them against Souness, he’s one of the most decorated players in the history of British football.

I remember the way he used to stamp on Wales players when Scotland were getting a football lesson at Hampden Park and the I’m having a Souness line you’d hear in pubs in the eighties (one half and I’m off) - you’re right, he was a great player at his peak, but a bit of a thug as his career came to an end, what he did to Peter Nicholas I think it was, was not manly, more cowardly.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11911139.fine-language-from-the-man-who-scarred-the-beautiful-game/

That said, I quite enjoy him as a pundit normally.

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It should never have come to this because Souness should have retired from punditry after Paul Pogba was asked about him due to his relentless criticism and his response was to ask who Souness was and Souness didn’t like that and said put your medals on the table then so Pogba posted a photo of himself holding the World Cup

[J R Hartley]

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I remember the way he used to stamp on Wales players when Scotland were getting a football lesson at Hampden Park and the I’m having a Souness line you’d hear in pubs in the eighties (one half and I’m off) - you’re right, he was a great player at his peak, but a bit of a thug as his career came to an end, what he did to Peter Nicholas I think it was, was not manly, more cowardly.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11911139.fine-language-from-the-man-who-scarred-the-beautiful-game/

That said, I quite enjoy him as a pundit normally.

Peter Nicholas was no angel himself

Like Souness he could dish it out as well as being an excellent footballer.

I remember the game well, it was the first Wales side I can remember as I got into football. I’ve still not come to terms with tha Wales side not reaching the 86 World Cup and some of my favourite Welsh players never appearing at a finals.

[the other bob wilson]

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Peter Nicholas was no angel himself

Like Souness he could dish it out as well as being an excellent footballer.

I remember the game well, it was the first Wales side I can remember as I got into football. I’ve still not come to terms with tha Wales side not reaching the 86 World Cup and some of my favourite Welsh players never appearing at a finals.

No, I'm pretty sure the incident was "afters" for something Nicholas had done before, but, on the other hand, it must have been so frustrating for the Scots that night because it was a little like Saturday in a way, a really one sided 1-0 which, if I remember rightly, no one really saw coming despite Wales having that superb spine of Southall, Ratcliffe, Hughes and Rush all close to or at their pick.

We really should have qualified, or at least made it to the Play Off, that time, but I've always thought we scored too early down here in the return game and so were caught between two stools somewhat - I suppose the fact it was back in the days when the Welsh attitude towards qualifying for major tournaments was "how will it all go wrong this time?", while the Scots were expecting to qualify every time, didn't help matters either..

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Robyn Cowen? She's the main female commentator used by the BBC and I don't particularly like her commentary for that reason. There are other women commentators who are far better and who contribute lots of insight into the game. Let's be honest, man or woman who has played the game at international level will know more about it than any fan. What do women know about the men's game? More than those in the crowd.

Maybe, but not as much as men that have played the men’s game, Roy Keene would have been far better than Karen, he'd understand the passion and why the managers lost it. Don't put him on as a pundit during women’s games though, it's very different have a panel of women who would have better understanding of their emotions. I don’t think it needs to be mixed?