Too much Gas

[B. Oddie]

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It won't. The prices now, and more pertinently those in the spring, are not blips but unpleasant consequences of idiotic inaction and actions by politicians - especially here in the UK. I suspect the 'govt'. is stalling from action on this because it could mean having to support families and small businesses for years to come..

...and the electorate.

[dandywarhol]

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Shell energy rang me and asked if I'd like a smart meter?I said how I how smart is it,Will it bypass the meter ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The government has a moral duty to look after people disproportionately hit by this fuel crisis

To see sunak and the other idiots scrapping like ferrets in a plastic bag over who will do most is embarrassing

If it takes several years of propping up those in greatest need then that must be done as it was with furlough .

No questions , get on with it .

[Vindec]

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...and the electorate.

There's me thinking it was largely to do with the war in Ukraine and its effect on international prices. Isn't that why every country in Europe are likely to suffer identical issues to us? In fact we are in a better position than most countries. There have been various interventions here and overseas but they are all sticking plasters which will not affect outcomes to any great extent Less supply increases demand causes a rise in prices - at least that is what I was taught in economics.

[goats]

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If we'd built the Severn barrage that would have had a major effect on renewable sources of energy, but it keeps getting squashed whenever its raised as an idea.

It will happen one day, reckon it will be about 2050…..knowing the uk governments

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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It will happen one day, reckon it will be about 2050…..knowing the uk governments

..within budget, too.

[ToTaL ITK]

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The government has a moral duty to look after people disproportionately hit by this fuel crisis

To see sunak and the other idiots scrapping like ferrets in a plastic bag over who will do most is embarrassing

If it takes several years of propping up those in greatest need then that must be done as it was with furlough .

No questions , get on with it .

you crack me up

[Taffy Blue in Berkshire]

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Yep. The environmentalists have a lot to answer for. Birds seem to be their priority. They also scuppered the scheme to deal with the appalling M4 traffic problems around Newport. I had some minor involvement on work relating to the Barrage as far back as 1970 but now the scheme, despite efforts to revive it, seems dead in the water.

I'm not against protecting the Environment but sometimes these tree huggers need to get real and see the big picture.

Were we in France the barrage would be up and running. Viva la Republic!

[az city]

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I think you are letting the conclusion you desire cloud your judgement.

UK has a greater range of energy mix than many, use more renewables than most and we pretty much lead the world in off-shore wind (I think China just overtook us).

The issue is almost wholly the rise in global gas prices (and most covid bounceback in demand); As of today, wholesale prices 400% higher than a year ago in Britain, what Europe generally buys is 550% (!!) higher than a year ago.

Unfortunately gas still provides 40% of our electricity generation, so there is little we can do in terms of the cost.

https://grid.iamkate.com/

Governments can of course offer varying degrees of support to mitigate the cost but thats a different question I think.

What point(s) in my post do you disagree with?

What "conclusion" do I desire?

[LeningradCowboy]

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I don't understand why we've been so reliant on foreign energy sources, how no government has tackled this over the past 30 years I'll never know.

Because NIMBYs are the most powerful force in British politics. They're up in arms wherever the government decides to build a new nuclear power station or wind farm. The Lib Dems were able to overturn a Conservative majority of 16,000 in Chesham and Amersham by opposing HS2 and planning reform. No government would survive upsetting NIMBYs all over the country.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Because NIMBYs are the most powerful force in British politics. They're up in arms wherever the government decides to build a new nuclear power station or wind farm. The Lib Dems were able to overturn a Conservative majority of 16,000 in Chesham and Amersham by opposing HS2 and planning reform. No government would survive upsetting NIMBYs all over the country.

We live in a world surrounded by technological developments and yet for some inexplicable reason our leaders have decided that it's preferable to source power for homes, businesses, hospitals etc. on windmills.

[William Treseder’s Mam]

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We live in a world surrounded by technological developments and yet for some inexplicable reason our leaders have decided that it's preferable to source power for homes, businesses, hospitals etc. on windmills.

It’s because they’re efficient, quick to install and relatively cheap. Currently about 25% of our electricity comes from them, a massive increase just from building a load offshore.

What’s your issue with them? What more technologically advanced energy source would you go with?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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We live in a world surrounded by technological developments and yet for some inexplicable reason our leaders have decided that it's preferable to source power for homes, businesses, hospitals etc. on windmills.

Yes because we are running out of fossil fuel. It is the biggest challenge affecting the world, and it’s my job. We have also ruined the planet and now it is probably too late but, we need to do something. The main issue with renewable power is that you can’t store the energy as well, or run it whenever you need it, like you can with coal etc. Wind power is good, and the wind is free.

Re relying on Russian gas, we have all sat on our hands and pretended this wasn’t happening while private businesses have made massive profits. Alternative power stations cost billions. State investment was required, or forcing private companies to act, but that’s not happened either.

[WJ99mobile]

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Yes because we are running out of fossil fuel. It is the biggest challenge affecting the world, and it’s my job. We have also ruined the planet and now it is probably too late but, we need to do something. The main issue with renewable power is that you can’t store the energy as well, or run it whenever you need it, like you can with coal etc. Wind power is good, and the wind is free.

Re relying on Russian gas, we have all sat on our hands and pretended this wasn’t happening while private businesses have made massive profits. Alternative power stations cost billions. State investment was required, or forcing private companies to act, but that’s not happened either.

But that sort of infrastructure would have incurred huge capital outlay or some PPP which would cost a arm and leg in the long run.

I believe that infrastructure is vital however I can see why no government had the balls to do it

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Yes because we are running out of fossil fuel. It is the biggest challenge affecting the world, and it’s my job. We have also ruined the planet and now it is probably too late but, we need to do something. The main issue with renewable power is that you can’t store the energy as well, or run it whenever you need it, like you can with coal etc. Wind power is good, and the wind is free.

Re relying on Russian gas, we have all sat on our hands and pretended this wasn’t happening while private businesses have made massive profits. Alternative power stations cost billions. State investment was required, or forcing private companies to act, but that’s not happened either.

We're not running out of fossil fuel - there's more than ever that can be reached [not fracking]. Exon has just discovered 3 new fields, and technology means we can get at it whereas before we couldn't.

Wind is free, but wind turbines aren't. They lose 4-5% efficiency pa. They cost £millions to produce, they use up energy to produce, they impact on the environment by stopping the flow of winds, and they're heavily subsidized. 25 -30% aren't working due to breakdown at any one time. And, if it isn't windy you get f. all !