Too much Gas

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Gas Price

It’s because they’re efficient, quick to install and relatively cheap. Currently about 25% of our electricity comes from them, a massive increase just from building a load offshore.

What’s your issue with them? What more technologically advanced energy source would you go with?

Apart from my reply to PDLR, you need power stations to back them up when it's not windy.

[lardy]

Re: Gas Price

We're not running out of fossil fuel - there's more than ever that can be reached [not fracking]. Exon has just discovered 3 new fields, and technology means we can get at it whereas before we couldn't.

Wind is free, but wind turbines aren't. They lose 4-5% efficiency pa. They cost £millions to produce, they use up energy to produce, they impact on the environment by stopping the flow of winds, and they're heavily subsidized. 25 -30% aren't working due to breakdown at any one time. And, if it isn't windy you get f. all !

But those new fields are also more expensive to reach than the ones we currently use.

If you're bringing up expense for wind power then it's only fair to also acknowledge that for fossil fuels.

[William Treseder’s Mam]

Re: Gas Price

Apart from my reply to PDLR, you need power stations to back them up when it's not windy.

That’s why we are building nuclear power stations

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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That’s why we are building nuclear power stations

Are we ? They're planned.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Gas Price

But those new fields are also more expensive to reach than the ones we currently use.

If you're bringing up expense for wind power then it's only fair to also acknowledge that for fossil fuels.

Yes, that's true.

[Vindec]

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Are we ? They're planned.

Yes. Hinkley Point - £4bn already spent and Sizewell C received planning permission in July 2022.

[William Treseder’s Mam]

Re: Gas Price

Sizewell B going through A 10 year life time extension too. And Rolls Royce small modular reactors have recently started the generic design phase.

[az city]

Re: Gas Price

Apart from my reply to PDLR, you need power stations to back them up when it's not windy.

There are lots of very clever ways of storing energy generated from renewable sources to make them more reliable ("portfolio dispatchable"). It doesn't need to be windy all of the time for the UK to source a lot of its energy needs relatively inexpensively from renewables. Using a portfolio approach to renewable generation effectively makes for a renewable system that doesn't need nuclear/fossil fuel backups.

In Arizona, one power company pumps water "backwards" in the middle of the night using excess power that nobody wants to then generate hydroelectric power during the peak times of the following day. Another company stores solar-generated power using molten salt so available supply better fits the local load curve.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Gas Price

We're not running out of fossil fuel - there's more than ever that can be reached [not fracking]. Exon has just discovered 3 new fields, and technology means we can get at it whereas before we couldn't.

Wind is free, but wind turbines aren't. They lose 4-5% efficiency pa. They cost £millions to produce, they use up energy to produce, they impact on the environment by stopping the flow of winds, and they're heavily subsidized. 25 -30% aren't working due to breakdown at any one time. And, if it isn't windy you get f. all !

People's taps have set on fire due to fracking. Respectfully, no thanks you. Fracking is extremely damaging to the planet and immediately, as well. It is a hard pass. Speak to anyone in the industry that isn't going to get big bucks from it.

I know if it isn't windy you get f all, that's the problem. That's the biggest challenge the energy industry is facing but it isn't because of some namby pamby lefties as you'd like to believe. Personally, I prefer my water not on fire.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Gas Price

But that sort of infrastructure would have incurred huge capital outlay or some PPP which would cost a arm and leg in the long run.

I believe that infrastructure is vital however I can see why no government had the balls to do it

And that's why we are where we are.

[William Treseder’s Mam]

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Still surprises me with all the problems that come with it that people are pro fracking.

And with how quickly we’ve put up offshore wind farms that people are anti wind farm.

[JamesWales]

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Gas price fallen back a little today - seems yesterday's huge rise was the announcement of unscheduled maintenance on the Nordstream gas pipeline announced by Russia.

They have our continent over a barrel and even though we get very little from Russia we are massively impacted.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Gas Price

People's taps have set on fire due to fracking. Respectfully, no thanks you. Fracking is extremely damaging to the planet and immediately, as well. It is a hard pass. Speak to anyone in the industry that isn't going to get big bucks from it.

I know if it isn't windy you get f all, that's the problem. That's the biggest challenge the energy industry is facing but it isn't because of some namby pamby lefties as you'd like to believe. Personally, I prefer my water not on fire.

your words, not mine.

[life on mars]

Re: Gas Price

just had my estimate in for the same kwh usage as last year it has moved from £635 pa to £916 thats for a 3 bed semi radiators in every room ,shower rather than bath use for 2 and weekend visitors and stop overs ie grand kids ..

My electricity bill is now £104 a month up from £64 ...

I am sure I can control each better ..

Lets see how many Xmas lights go up this year ?? ..

[Organ Morgan.]

Re: Gas Price

just had my estimate in for the same kwh usage as last year it has moved from £635 pa to £916 thats for a 3 bed semi radiators in every room ,shower rather than bath use for 2 and weekend visitors and stop overs ie grand kids ..

My electricity bill is now £104 a month up from £64 ...

I am sure I can control each better ..

Lets see how many Xmas lights go up this year ?? ..

Use candles instead of electric lighting.

Don't cook anything; serve food rare.

In preparation for late autumn and much of winter, invest in onesies for all the family.

Should you remain cold, run on the spot as fast as is necessary.