I must have missed the election.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: I must have missed the election.

No he is not, he is portraying Brexit voters as thick daily mail reading racists and it gets on my fcking nerves.

Brexit to me was NEVER about immigration.
I would open up free movement of those in Europe tomorrow.
Brexit to me was about the state of The EU.
The fat cat pigs at the trough and the lack of democracy.
I'm with Yanis Varoufakis and would support DiEM25

The next election is Labour's to lose.
I can't stand Truss and I hope Labour win.
I wish that the likes of Eddie Dempsey and Mick Lynch were more involved in Labour politics.

Most of all though I wish that certain sections of the left would stop their sneering at the working classes and their reasons for voting leave.

I think he's on the money because there was a massive element of leave voters who didn't vote for very much other than xenophobia stoked by decades of right wing MSM propaganda.

I think it's possible to be angry about losing European Citizenship without sneering and I certainly wasn't, and I'm pretty sure Dorcus wasn't but there will be an element of that going on online but I think that's understandable too even though I don't like it.

I too support DiEM25 but that doesn't mean I think our leave vote is the right approach in the same way as I don't think I want to cut off my nose to spite my face.

I think we have to be careful not to get wrapped up in the divide-and-conquer policies of the UK Conservative party and far right but most importantly, we don't lose sight of the need to look out for one another and that corruption and human greed is rife within our own UK institutions and we're in no position to crow.

[JamesWales]

Re: I must have missed the election.

Yup. You're on the money!

He really isn't. It's just a series of weird, inaccurate, arrogant and borderline ignorant tropes that shed far more light on why the Remain side lost than why Leave won.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: I must have missed the election.

He really isn't. It's just a series of weird, inaccurate, arrogant and borderline ignorant tropes that shed far more light on why the Remain side lost than why Leave won.

Everybody lost James.

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: I must have missed the election.

I think we have to be careful not to get wrapped up in the divide-and-conquer policies of the UK Conservative party and far right but most importantly, we don't lose sight of the need to look out for one another and that corruption and human greed is rife within our own UK institutions and we're in no position to crow.

Remember these words the next time you think about bashing swathes of people with differing opinions.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: I must have missed the election.

No he is not, he is portraying Brexit voters as thick daily mail reading racists and it gets on my fcking nerves.

Brexit to me was NEVER about immigration.
I would open up free movement of those in Europe tomorrow.
Brexit to me was about the state of The EU.
The fat cat pigs at the trough and the lack of democracy.
I'm with Yanis Varoufakis and would support DiEM25

The next election is Labour's to lose.
I can't stand Truss and I hope Labour win.
I wish that the likes of Eddie Dempsey and Mick Lynch were more involved in Labour politics.

Most of all though I wish that certain sections of the left would stop their sneering at the working classes and their reasons for voting leave.

Well said about Dempsey and Lynch.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: I must have missed the election.

Remember these words the next time you think about bashing swathes of people with differing opinions.

If I voted in a referendum which effectively prevented you from flying to see Wales play, you's feel pretty p*ssed off Wash. Maybe bitter even.

Then how do you feel I feel when everything I do in a professional capacity is more difficult and more expensive and a lot of other things that I am affected by are more difficult and expensive.

The bashing cuts both ways Wash and I'll acknowledge I'm no saint but I'm also honest in that I will never, ever, get over having my European Citizenship taken away from me.

[Claude Blue]

Re: I must have missed the election.

Well said about Dempsey and Lynch.

Would that be the brexit loving Eddie Dempsey?

Or the one who praised the people who turn out at Tommy Robinson marches?

Perhaps the one who has some rather dubious views on Ukraine/Russia/Putin?

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: I must have missed the election.

If I voted in a referendum which effectively prevented you from flying to see Wales play, you's feel pretty p*ssed off Wash. Maybe bitter even.

Then how do you feel I feel when everything I do in a professional capacity is more difficult and more expensive and a lot of other things that I am affected by are more difficult and expensive.

The bashing cuts both ways Wash and I'll acknowledge I'm no saint but I'm also honest in that I will never, ever, get over having my European Citizenship taken away from me.

I appreciate your frustration and disappointment CN.
Everybody looks at the world through a different prism.

My point though isn't about the disappointment with the outcome it is how the disappointment is reacted to with nastiness and falsehoods.

Trump supporters were not too dissimilar as remainers IMO in not accepting a result that they didn't like.

Finally, in a world that seems divided more than ever...we should all be reaching across the aisles to be as by Bipartisan as possible.
Hopefully that way the toxicity will die down somewhat and we can all get back to respecting each other as humans...except Jacks obvs (If they count as human that is).

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: I must have missed the election.

I appreciate your frustration and disappointment CN.
Everybody looks at the world through a different prism.

My point though isn't about the disappointment with the outcome it is how the disappointment is reacted to with nastiness and falsehoods.

Trump supporters were not too dissimilar as remainers IMO in not accepting a result that they didn't like.

Finally, in a world that seems divided more than ever...we should all be reaching across the aisles to be as by Bipartisan as possible.
Hopefully that way the toxicity will die down somewhat and we can all get back to respecting each other as humans...except Jacks obvs (If they count as human that is).

Totally agree mate.

It's all about finding that common ground Wash!

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: I must have missed the election.

Would that be the brexit loving Eddie Dempsey?

Or the one who praised the people who turn out at Tommy Robinson marches?

Perhaps the one who has some rather dubious views on Ukraine/Russia/Putin?

Yep, the same one that Ash Sarkar and Owen Jones bashed.

The one that was Pro-Brexit....I mean the horror!!

The one that tried to understand and stated his thoughts on Robinsons popularity.
He didn't support Robinson or his supporters in any sense from what I can gather.

As far as Russia/Ukraine go....different people think different things....one man's Azov is another man Wagner for instance.

Can you hold your nose enough to back this?

https://wesayenough.co.uk/

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: I must have missed the election.

Totally agree mate.

It's all about finding that common ground Wash!

You Knows it :)

[Dorcus]

Re: I must have missed the election.

No he is not, he is portraying Brexit voters as thick daily mail reading racists and it gets on my fcking nerves.

Brexit to me was NEVER about immigration.
I would open up free movement of those in Europe tomorrow.
Brexit to me was about the state of The EU.
The fat cat pigs at the trough and the lack of democracy.
I'm with Yanis Varoufakis and would support DiEM25

The next election is Labour's to lose.
I can't stand Truss and I hope Labour win.
I wish that the likes of Eddie Dempsey and Mick Lynch were more involved in Labour politics.

Most of all though I wish that certain sections of the left would stop their sneering at the working classes and their reasons for voting leave.

The raison detre for Brexit actually came out of the mouths of people high up in the Brexit echelon and it wasn't my own analysis though I believe it to be essentially true.

My description of a majority of people who voted for Brexit in the way I posed was undoubtedly true, I met a lot of them with that very stance. However, it doesn't apply to all and you're absolutely right on that.

I had you down as one of those hard-core overly assertive Brexit types but I will say I am impressed with the argument you have put forward in this post and it gives me food for thought. I may disagree with you over a host of issues I guess but your expression on the immigration situation is refreshing. I also agree with what you say about the elite fat cats in the EU too so that puts you in a different light in my opinion. Although I would argue the same applies in any institution and it certainly applies here in the UK government.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with your anti democratic view of the EU but every democratic institution should be open to democratic review.

But I have to say your support for DiEM25 is particularly welcome and it shows me that though I might have been right about many people the portrait I painted didn't apply to you.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: I must have missed the election.

The raison detre for Brexit actually came out of the mouths of people high up in the Brexit echelon and it wasn't my own analysis though I believe it to be essentially true.

My description of a majority of people who voted for Brexit in the way I posed was undoubtedly true, I met a lot of them with that very stance. However, it doesn't apply to all and you're absolutely right on that.

I had you down as one of those hard-core overly assertive Brexit types but I will say I am impressed with the argument you have put forward in this post and it gives me food for thought. I may disagree with you over a host of issues I guess but your expression on the immigration situation is refreshing. I also agree with what you say about the elite fat cats in the EU too so that puts you in a different light in my opinion. Although I would argue the same applies in any institution and it certainly applies here in the UK government.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with your anti democratic view of the EU but every democratic institution should be open to democratic review.

But I have to say your support for DiEM25 is particularly welcome and it shows me that though I might have been right about many people the portrait I painted didn't apply to you.

Whilst Mr DC is clearly an enlightened and erudite chap I think your initial evaluation of most brexit voters being xenophobic ignorant feckwits ? .......is almost exclusively on the money

[Alfresco]

Re: I must have missed the election.

Whilst Mr DC is clearly an enlightened and erudite chap I think your initial evaluation of most brexit voters being xenophobic ignorant feckwits ? .......is almost exclusively on the money

It's called democracy Scrudge, you are in the minority in more ways than one.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: I must have missed the election.

It's called democracy Scrudge, you are in the minority in more ways than one.

Well slightly in the minority

But either way I am happy I am not a sunburnt feckwit who is scared of outsiders