Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

A nurse working for an agency can earn in 3 days what a NHS nurse earns in 5 days. Add the ever increasing population and Covid, it's no wonder the NHS is on its knees.

It's on its knees because there is not enough investment in it

The conservative central government , despite the recent almighty cock up fund the Welsh NHS . The conservative government are trying to implement tax cuts which will lead to cuts in the NHS , social services etc .

If the Welsh government is getting less funding for the NHS then clearly things are going to get worse .

If you give someone 100 quid to build a wall but you should be giving them 200 quid you are not going to get a very good wall

The Welsh govt are not building a very good wall but they need more money to build a better one

[JamesWales]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

It's on its knees because there is not enough investment in it

The conservative central government , despite the recent almighty cock up fund the Welsh NHS . The conservative government are trying to implement tax cuts which will lead to cuts in the NHS , social services etc .

If the Welsh government is getting less funding for the NHS then clearly things are going to get worse .

If you give someone 100 quid to build a wall but you should be giving them 200 quid you are not going to get a very good wall

The Welsh govt are not building a very good wall but they need more money to build a better one

Sorry Sludge, but just endlessly pumping out this opinion is part of the problem. You aren't helping the NHS by just saying it, you are just repeating slogans.

The NHS has never had as much money. The Welsh Govt allocates it's resources and manages the NHS and has done so here in Wales for 20+ years. The SNP has even more autonomy in Scotland and they have the same problems.

There are massive structural issues. We need to strip the politics out of it, get real and sort the thing out for the benefit of us all.

[MOZZER2]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

Sorry Sludge, but just endlessly pumping out this opinion is part of the problem. You aren't helping the NHS by just saying it, you are just repeating slogans.

The NHS has never had as much money. The Welsh Govt allocates it's resources and manages the NHS and has done so here in Wales for 20+ years. The SNP has even more autonomy in Scotland and they have the same problems.

There are massive structural issues. We need to strip the politics out of it, get real and sort the thing out for the benefit of us all.

so James structural issues you say . Are you saying too many pen pushers and not enough people on the ground within the NHS Wales ?

I,m hearing lots of vacancies within the NHS Wales what type of numbers are we talking here in Wales only ?

[JamesWales]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

so James structural issues you say . Are you saying too many pen pushers and not enough people on the ground within the NHS Wales ?

I,m hearing lots of vacancies within the NHS Wales what type of numbers are we talking here in Wales only ?

I base what I say there on knowing numerous people who work in the NHS. I also know that using it as a political football is deeply unhelpful

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

I base what I say there on knowing numerous people who work in the NHS. I also know that using it as a political football is deeply unhelpful

Well I got to know loads of NHS staff during the last few years of my mother's life and the people using the NHS for gain more than anyone else was the Tories

The doctors , nurses and care workers I spoke to were appalled at the way Johnson and his lot jumped on the clap the NHS bollocks and deflected away from the crap situation so many found themselves in

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

I base what I say there on knowing numerous people who work in the NHS. I also know that using it as a political football is deeply unhelpful

You won’t like this, but hasn’t Brexit ensured that the pool of those willing to work in the NHS has got smaller? I accept that it’s hardly the same as picking fruit, but the numbers of UK based people willing to do certain jobs has decreased surely?

[Feedback]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

It's on its knees because there is not enough investment in it

The conservative central government , despite the recent almighty cock up fund the Welsh NHS . The conservative government are trying to implement tax cuts which will lead to cuts in the NHS , social services etc .

If the Welsh government is getting less funding for the NHS then clearly things are going to get worse .

If you give someone 100 quid to build a wall but you should be giving them 200 quid you are not going to get a very good wall

The Welsh govt are not building a very good wall but they need more money to build a better one

Isn't the Welsh Government diverting funding from other areas to better fund the Welsh NHS a possibility?

You'll also be aware the current UK government is collecting more in tax revenues than any government previously.

[TWGL1]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

It's on its knees because there is not enough investment in it

The conservative central government , despite the recent almighty cock up fund the Welsh NHS . The conservative government are trying to implement tax cuts which will lead to cuts in the NHS , social services etc .

If the Welsh government is getting less funding for the NHS then clearly things are going to get worse .

If you give someone 100 quid to build a wall but you should be giving them 200 quid you are not going to get a very good wall

The Welsh govt are not building a very good wall but they need more money to build a better one

This is where you just guess when it comes to making outlandish statements. The NHS is massively funded , if you do a bit of research.

Here is an example~ UK’s post Brexit EU “divorce bill” reaches €50 billion, confirms Treasury... up from €40-45bn. The NHS burns through all that in less than 3 months!

[Feedback]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

This is where you just guess when it comes to making outlandish statements. The NHS is massively funded , if you do a bit of research.

Here is an example~ UK’s post Brexit EU “divorce bill” reaches €50 billion, confirms Treasury... up from €40-45bn. The NHS burns through all that in less than 3 months!

There are 68m or so people in the UK. Assuming the NHS has a total budget of £204bn, that's £3k per man, woman and child per annum. Hospitals don't build themselves, and medical equipment (with all its precision) isn't known for being mass produced production line stuff. Training each doctor to registrar level can cost upwards of £400k, and training them beyond that even more.

The NHS has many issues, but it does an awful lot with the budget it does have. Private healthcare has its place (I know, I have it) but I'm more than happy to pay more in tax and NI if its earmarked for the NHS. Everyone deserves high quality healthcare as a basic right, and the only way to achieve that is to increase the funding in the NHS.

[jon1959]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

There are 68m or so people in the UK. Assuming the NHS has a total budget of £204bn, that's £3k per man, woman and child per annum. Hospitals don't build themselves, and medical equipment (with all its precision) isn't known for being mass produced production line stuff. Training each doctor to registrar level can cost upwards of £400k, and training them beyond that even more.

The NHS has many issues, but it does an awful lot with the budget it does have. Private healthcare has its place (I know, I have it) but I'm more than happy to pay more in tax and NI if its earmarked for the NHS. Everyone deserves high quality healthcare as a basic right, and the only way to achieve that is to increase the funding in the NHS.

(apart from the private healthcare bit).

[TWGL1]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

(apart from the private healthcare bit).

My point is rather than pumping money into it to solve a problem, why not encourage the population to take up exercise , promote healthy eating , even use some of the huge NHS budget to subsidise fruit and vegetables?

Alcohol consumption could be another area where the usage could be cut.

Process changes drive efficiencies.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

This is where you just guess when it comes to making outlandish statements. The NHS is massively funded , if you do a bit of research.

Here is an example~ UK’s post Brexit EU “divorce bill” reaches €50 billion, confirms Treasury... up from €40-45bn. The NHS burns through all that in less than 3 months!

You are talking out of your arse

It's not funded enough , it needs more and will continue to do so

The Tories are talking about tax cuts to give to their rich mates

At a time when we need more income to pay for the NHS , Public services , Care

You are Potty

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

My point is rather than pumping money into it to solve a problem, why not encourage the population to take up exercise , promote healthy eating , even use some of the huge NHS budget to subsidise fruit and vegetables?

Alcohol consumption could be another area where the usage could be cut.

Process changes drive efficiencies.

Well we need both , clearly 🙄

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

Isn't the Welsh Government diverting funding from other areas to better fund the Welsh NHS a possibility?

You'll also be aware the current UK government is collecting more in tax revenues than any government previously.

They are doing that because they need more resources