train strike

[+ the native hipster]

how much is the average driver paid?

[Feedback]

Re: train strike

Maybe between £50-60k per annum perhaps more in London. Its a demanding job with drivers having to know the track, curves, braking points etc inside out. Seems a fair wage all things considered.

The salary is also an indicator of what good union representation does for the worker.

My preference regarding train strikes would be how the Japanese approach this. The bus drivers went on strike, carried on working but refused to collect fares. The passengers weren't impacted and therefore support for the drivers was overwhelming. The owners were hit in the pocket and quickly acquiesced.

[Dorcus]

Re: train strike

Maybe between £50-60k per annum perhaps more in London. Its a demanding job with drivers having to know the track, curves, braking points etc inside out. Seems a fair wage all things considered.

The salary is also an indicator of what good union representation does for the worker.

My preference regarding train strikes would be how the Japanese approach this. The bus drivers went on strike, carried on working but refused to collect fares. The passengers weren't impacted and therefore support for the drivers was overwhelming. The owners were hit in the pocket and quickly acquiesced.

I have to admit prima facie that Japanese model sounds a winner 👍

[Dorcus]

Re: train strike

how much is the average driver paid?

About a million pounds a year.

[jon1959]

Re: train strike

https://aslef.org.uk/publications/aslef-announces-new-strike-action

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-announces-new-strike-date-in-national-rail-dispute/

'Enough is Enough!'

[life on mars]

Re: train strike

In Wales

Drivers Pay
£36,500 to £54,000

The pay rates given below are approximate.

Starting: £36,500 - £50,500
With experience: £52,000 - £54,000
Senior Train Drivers earn £56,000 - £61,000
Hrs 40 hours a week (variable) Evenings, Weekends and Bank Holidays
Shifts that could include nights
Train Drivers usually work a 35-40 hour week, which will include shift work, evenings, weekends and public holidays.
Overtime is common. fill yer boots ..

Conductors and Station Customer Service Assistants:

Pay £28,500 to £ 37k .

Starting: £28,500 - £30,500
With experience: £32,500 - £37,000
Senior Train Managers earn £40,000 - £43,000

and overtime ..

The rest of the country will be on much more poor folks enough is enough

[jon1959]

Re: train strike

https://www.cwu.org/news/cwu-spearheading-biggest-strike-surge-this-century-crucial-period-for-uk-working-class/

https://www.pcs.org.uk/campaigns/pcs-pay-campaign

https://www.nasuwt.org.uk/article-listing/pay-teachers-12-or-face-action.html

'Enough is Enough'

[Ninja]

Re: train strike

I have to admit prima facie that Japanese model sounds a winner 👍

I agree completely.
Not sure it would work here though, they'd probably get canned for not taking fares.

[JamesWales]

Re: train strike

The difference for me in this case is that for almost 2 years, the industry they worked in was absolutely on it's arse - at some points passenger numbers fell to 5% of the norm. In any normal circumstance they would all have been out of a job.

They weren't because the govt stepped in using borrowed money, paid by all of us to keep the industry afloat and people in jobs, mortgages paid etc.

Covid changed things. Also, if everyone gets 10%+ pay rises, you don't overcome inflation, you merely become it. And prolong it.

In my work, we've been offered between 9 and 3%, the 9% refering to those on lower salaries. The general consensus is to take it

[Organ Morgan.]

Re: train strike

The difference for me in this case is that for almost 2 years, the industry they worked in was absolutely on it's arse - at some points passenger numbers fell to 5% of the norm. In any normal circumstance they would all have been out of a job.

They weren't because the govt stepped in using borrowed money, paid by all of us to keep the industry afloat and people in jobs, mortgages paid etc.

Covid changed things. Also, if everyone gets 10%+ pay rises, you don't overcome inflation, you merely become it. And prolong it.

In my work, we've been offered between 9 and 3%, the 9% refering to those on lower salaries. The general consensus is to take it

The borrowed money was 330 billion quid of QE. The BoE is part of the British state. It has no money. But does have the authority to create as much money from thin air as it cares to. They then make it available to the Treasury.

QE means pretending to borrow money from yourself while never repaying a penny of the principal or interest on it.

If the citizens caught on to how this scheme operates they would rightly ask why they are forced to pay any taxes.

PM May said there was no magic money tree. She lied, there is, it's called QE.

[Feedback]

Re: train strike

The borrowed money was 330 billion quid of QE. The BoE is part of the British state. It has no money. But does have the authority to create as much money from thin air as it cares to. They then make it available to the Treasury.

QE means pretending to borrow money from yourself while never repaying a penny of the principal or interest on it.

If the citizens caught on to how this scheme operates they would rightly ask why they are forced to pay any taxes.

PM May said there was no magic money tree. She lied, there is, it's called QE.

you don't know what QE is do you?

[Organ Morgan.]

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you don't know what QE is do you?

Yes, I do. That was the simple version. The roundabout way is the BoE purchasing bonds... 895 billion pounds of them since 2009 from, again, funny money they had created from precisely nothing.

I recall schooling you on this subject when your username was Feedback.

[jon1959]

Re: train strike

Enough is Enough 2.jpeg

[Feedback]

Re: train strike

Yes, I do. That was the simple version. The roundabout way is the BoE purchasing bonds... 895 billion pounds of them since 2009 from, again, funny money they had created from precisely nothing.

I recall schooling you on this subject when your username was Feedback.

You've never schooled anyone and here you're confirming you're bereft of any kind of knowledge.

Do you realise the BoE keeps cash reserves? Which bank do you think all your taxes are paid to?

[Canton Kev]

Re: train strike

The difference for me in this case is that for almost 2 years, the industry they worked in was absolutely on it's arse - at some points passenger numbers fell to 5% of the norm. In any normal circumstance they would all have been out of a job.

They weren't because the govt stepped in using borrowed money, paid by all of us to keep the industry afloat and people in jobs, mortgages paid etc.

Covid changed things. Also, if everyone gets 10%+ pay rises, you don't overcome inflation, you merely become it. And prolong it.

In my work, we've been offered between 9 and 3%, the 9% refering to those on lower salaries. The general consensus is to take it

Considering the amount of disruption that arises from a few days of strikes every month or so, it would seem the government made the right call stepping in to stop half the drivers losing their jobs and a multitude of rail operators going bust.