Tory MP loses whip over VAX comments

[Organ Morgan.]

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This needle lover was a particularly aggressive vaccine proponent. He was a former NFL player who if I recall headbutted the floor on the same date Coward did. He also didn't get much sympathy in replies.

Ok so lets get these vaccine mandates and Vaccine passports up and running ASAP. We seeing children DIE daily from the unvaccinated selfishness. Pregnant women at risk too. PROTECT LIFE. MANDATE THE VACCINE. Jail anyone who refuses, to protect LIFE

— Uche Nwaneri The Observant Lineman♎ #Snydercut (@Chukwu77) September 1, 2021

[JamesWales]

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I'd argue that ignoring decades and centuries of scientific progress, and the millions of scientists who have written millions of papers in favour of something what I read on the internet is blind acceptance.

But no one is suggesting ignoring anything. I think that it is important to listen to all perspectives and pattern's may emerge. You can't just go with consensus forever or nothing ever changes.

I had my vaccine probably before most on here and I think its helped get us out of Covid (though many still enjoy being imprisoned at home it seems!) but I think we have to have avenues for new evidence and discussion to emerge.

As I said, the reference to the Holocaust is just divisive and daft as are any references to nazi Germany, fascism etc, as popular as those kind of hyperbolic statements may be

[JamesWales]

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Here's another needle pusher who recently bit the dust. The replies to the second tweet, his original one, didn't garner many sympathetic replies following his death.

“If you decline Moderna and are "waiting" for Pfizer you are a piece of garbage. Take the f**king vaccine you are able to get.“

- Liam Coward, June 2021

Liam Coward #diedsuddenly one week ago of “unknown causes” at the age of 27. pic.twitter.com/1HCzFH6RCL

— DiedSuddenly (@DiedSuddenly_) January 5, 2023

Hot take: if you decline Moderna and are “waiting” for Pfizer you are a piece of garbage. Take the ****ing vaccine you are able to get. There are billions of people on this earth… what “choice” do you think those in developing nation would make? #onpoli #COVIDVaccination

— Liam Coward 🏳️*🌈 (@liamxcoward) June 21, 2021

The responses to this on twitter are horrible.

[lardy]

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But no one is suggesting ignoring anything. I think that it is important to listen to all perspectives and pattern's may emerge. You can't just go with consensus forever or nothing ever changes.

I had my vaccine probably before most on here and I think its helped get us out of Covid (though many still enjoy being imprisoned at home it seems!) but I think we have to have avenues for new evidence and discussion to emerge.

As I said, the reference to the Holocaust is just divisive and daft as are any references to nazi Germany, fascism etc, as popular as those kind of hyperbolic statements may be

I don't know what you're talking about with holocaust to be perfectly honest. If that's been mentioned on the thread, then I've obviously skipped it.

I'm talking about the idea that viruses do not exist. I'm ok with going with the consensus on this one.

So your first sentence is wrong. Organ is talking about ignoring centuries of scientific progress. Maybe you're not, but he is.

[Doucas]

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But no one is suggesting ignoring anything. I think that it is important to listen to all perspectives and pattern's may emerge. You can't just go with consensus forever or nothing ever changes.

I had my vaccine probably before most on here and I think its helped get us out of Covid (though many still enjoy being imprisoned at home it seems!) but I think we have to have avenues for new evidence and discussion to emerge.

As I said, the reference to the Holocaust is just divisive and daft as are any references to nazi Germany, fascism etc, as popular as those kind of hyperbolic statements may be

The enlightened centrist is back.

Don't forget according to James gammon is racist, GB News isn't right wing, and nobody in the UK has ever wanted to stop all immigration. Your credibility on anything is gone.

[TWGL1]

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Tons of credibility, this Malhotra guy.

The British Heart Foundation said his views on saturated fats being fine for arteries were "misleading and wrong", he came up with a diet that was voted in the top 5 worst celebrity diets of 2018 by the British Dietetic Association, and tried to sell a book describing a three week diet that would help covid sufferers recover with absolutely no medical evidence to support it.

The New York Times ran a story on him in which he revealed he puts a tablespoon of butter in his coffee.

I'm willing to bet that, although Morgan thinks he has tons of credibility, he doesn't actually follow anything this guy recommends.

He was on BBC news this morning UNBELIEVABLE

https://twitter.com/draseemmalhotra/status/1613837487796850688?s=61&t=jqVyZ3GSUb0lu-NxfcUHAA

[Organ Morgan.]

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I'm still intrigued by why China, India and Russia (there's other countries too) with their combined populations of three billion people (37.5% of the entire world's) have not dispensed a single mRNA vaccination for Covid, flu, or anything else, while Western majority white countries, especially, have pushed them on their people's like there's no tomorrow.

There has to be a reason, other than coincidence, for an anomaly of this scale.

But what is it?

[Organ Morgan.]

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He was on BBC news this morning UNBELIEVABLE

https://twitter.com/draseemmalhotra/...Ub0lu-NxfcUHAA

Crikey, Covid cultists must have sat open-mouthed watching that. They'd fall off their chairs should they interview Dr Vernon Coleman.

And defibrillator sales would rocket.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I'm still intrigued by why China, India and Russia (there's other countries too) with their combined populations of three billion people (37.5% of the entire world's) have not dispensed a single mRNA vaccination for Covid, flu, or anything else, while Western majority white countries, especially, have pushed them on their people's like there's no tomorrow.

There has to be a reason, other than coincidence, for an anomaly of this scale.

But what is it?

Has that frazzled brain of yours ever wondered why the Indians and Chinese are developing their own mRNA covid vaccines with the latter in a facility capable of producing 120m clot shots a year. Germ Warfare?

[Organ Morgan.]

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Has that frazzled brain of yours ever wondered why the Indians and Chinese are developing their own mRNA covid vaccines with the latter in a facility capable of producing 120m clot shots a year. Germ Warfare?

Typical of you. You did not challenge: ... 'have not dispensed a single mRNA vaccination for Covid, flu, or anything else' but deflected, yet again.

[MOZZER2]

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There's a lot of stuff coming out about the 'vaccines' lately. More and more scientists are putting their heads above the parapet now that it's getting safer to do so. Suffice to say, the theme of various reports and studies is ' the vaccines aren't actually making much difference...'

Not going to comment on the safety of these vaccines but going to comment on the effectiveness

Events over the last 10 days have now made me question if these vaccines make any difference at all too

Not going to delve too much into why i think this as i don't like commenting on medical stuff on here

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Typical of you. You did not challenge: ... 'have not dispensed a single mRNA vaccination for Covid, flu, or anything else' but deflected, yet again.

Challenge and deflect from what, Morg?

You seem so surprised to make a broadly accurate statement that you are looking for a scooby snack as reward.

I am sort of taking from your focus on mRNA vaccines that you think the other types are fine and dandy so lets look at the hints and questions you pose about why India and China (lets take Russia out of this} have not dispensed a single mRNA shot.

Is it because it is a Western Majority White Man's Potion? That would be strange given that it is widely used in South Africa, Senegal, Tunisia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia and elsewhere.

Is it because they think it is dangerous? Well they have been dispensing significant numbers in their trials of "own brand mRNA" as they both gear up for mass production and use as I previously stated.

So if it is neither of these, to turn your question on its head, what do you think the reason is, Morg?

[Organ Morgan.]

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I haven't heard there might be a shortage of Russian, Chinese or Indian scientists these past three years capable of knocking-up an mRNA concoction. Have you.

I did ask a serious question. It does intrigue me why those countries have been so very slow off the blocks to produce one.

I'm sure you will agree with me, and it'll be a first, that the mRNA ones have proved to be very effective.

According to Dolores Cahill, their effectiveness will increase exponentially during the December 2023 to December 2025 timeframe.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I haven't heard there might be a shortage of Russian, Chinese or Indian scientists these past three years capable of knocking-up an mRNA concoction. Have you.

I did ask a serious question. It does intrigue me why those countries have been so very slow off the blocks to produce one.

I'm sure you will agree with me, and it'll be a first, that the mRNA ones have proved to be very effective.

According to Dolores Cahill, their effectiveness will increase exponentially during the December 2023 to December 2025 timeframe.

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/pharma/chinese-made-mrna-vaccine-starts-trial-production/96811109?redirect=1

It's like asking why British scientists didn't knock up an mRNA concoction when they went down the Oxford Astra Zenica route. Yet you wonder why uber-nationalistic states like Russia, India and China wanted their own flagship vaccines.

My understanding from that very helpful Sky Australia snippet that I posted in full, which I am sure you watched, is that the development lifecycle of an mRNA vaccine to adapt to mutations is much shorter than other technologies. Reinforced by the article above.

Still if Delores Cahill says something different who are you to argue!

[Organ Morgan.]

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So, your stance is those countries have been unable to produce something as good as Pfizer and Moderna have manufactured and, for reasons unknown, they have chosen not to purchase their super, smashing and great products.

From what you wrote I suspect you will contend that for them to do the obvious would entail a loss of face.