Kier yesterday

[goats]

Re: Kier yesterday

The more I hear from Starmer and people like Wes Streeting lately, the less time I have for them, but Labour have got my vote in the next election, because the overwhelming first priority is to get this Government out.

The Tories will lose the next election I think Bob so you will have to find something else to moan about….reckon Labour will do the usual 2 terms then fall apart by going to lefty, a bit like the current shower did going to Tory. Starmer is so middle ground, almost another Bliar but trying not to show it….yet

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Kier yesterday

Don’t think that’s relevant, the point of my message was that, despite my misgivings, I’ll be voting for Starmer and his party at the next election.

Bit of a cop-out there Bob

[Organ Morgan.]

Re: Kier yesterday

But not everyone is a smug defeatist like you and Mark Twain, Morgan. The Chartists, the Suffragettes (and Suffragists) and the Selma marchers all understood the power of the vote.

There may not be a chasm between the red and blue options at the next election, but there is more than a crack. It makes a difference to a lot of people living with pain and bad health, trapped in the benefits supported gig economy and anyone desperate for a safe affordable home. Labour won’t transform many lives but they will make things marginally better than the current lot.

I am disgusted by the Labour leader and his controlling clique (for what they think, say and do - not for the way they look or sound) but I will vote for them. And swallow the bile! Marginal differences affect real lives.

I've challenged forum members more than once prior who believe this Punch and Judy Blues and Red Show to be real to give just one example of either team ditching anything their pretend adversary introduced that they railed against when in Opposition then singularly failed to undo when they governed.

You nor anyone else could provide a single instance. Actually, I did give one albeit minuscule one (which is one more than you managed), the ban on union membership for GCHQ staff which was overturned.

Here's another opportunity for you and anyone else who disputes my assertion they have the same agenda to post something to the contrary that has merit.

The stage is yours.

[Organ Morgan.]

Re: Kier yesterday

Bit of a cop-out there Bob

I'm sure Bobsy knows it's a futile exercise but cannot bring himself to acknowledge that.

[tforturton]

Re: Kier yesterday

Not bad, boring but growing on me, seems calm and a bit of a steady Eddie, which maybe is what we need. The policies are the same as Rishi's now so there would be very little difference, a bit like Blair's New Labour.

Basically, that's all he has to do to win the next election. Offer a centrist government, and don't do anything to frighten the voters. In other words, sit down, be quiet, and smile a lot.

[jon1959]

Re: Kier yesterday

I've challenged forum members more than once prior who believe this Punch and Judy Blues and Red Show to be real to give just one example of either team ditching anything their pretend adversary introduced that they railed against when in Opposition then singularly failed to undo when they governed.

You nor anyone else could provide a single instance. Actually, I did give one albeit minuscule one (which is one more than you managed), the ban on union membership for GCHQ staff which was overturned.

Here's another opportunity for you and anyone else who disputes my assertion they have the same agenda to post something to the contrary that has merit.

The stage is yours.

I don’t have a crystal ball to see what a future right leaning Starmer government will do - but the last Labour government (similar political agenda but more charisma and more policies) brought in Sure Start, the Decent Homes Programme, more investment in the NHS (albeit alongside major privatisation) and a raft of redistribution measures on the quiet by Prudence Bruin in his budgets. Those made a difference to real people.

Blair was also brown-nosing Murdoch, lying to promote an illegal war with his mate Bush, and acting as the ‘safe hands’ heir to Thatcher.

But the good stuff above was worth having.

It didn’t just fall from the skies either. It came from decades of pressure and campaigns by Labour members, affiliated unions and others who found ways of getting a Labour government to pass some progressive laws and tax/spend measures. The same will happen again as long as Labour has some remaining political and organisational ties to its roots and its base.

The stage is yours again!

[life on mars]

Re: Kier yesterday

I don’t have a crystal ball to see what a future right leaning Starmer government will do - but the last Labour government (similar political agenda but more charisma and more policies) brought in Sure Start, the Decent Homes Programme, more investment in the NHS (albeit alongside major privatisation) and a raft of redistribution measures on the quiet by Prudence Bruin in his budgets. Those made a difference to real people.

Blair was also brown-nosing Murdoch, lying to promote an illegal war with his mate Bush, and acting as the ‘safe hands’ heir to Thatcher.

But the good stuff above was worth having.

It didn’t just fall from the skies either. It came from decades of pressure and campaigns by Labour members, affiliated unions and others who found ways of getting a Labour government to pass some progressive laws and tax/spend measures. The same will happen again as long as Labour has some remaining political and organisational ties to its roots and its base.

The stage is yours again!

But, but, but he's Tory Lite , bloody hell how quick the left can be centered , what happened to the Corbynistas and thier hatred of the alledged war criminal Blair and his European buddy Maddy.. they were more right wing than Boris ..

Brilliant 👏

[jon1959]

Re: Kier yesterday

But, but, but he's Tory Lite , bloody hell how quick the left can be centered , what happened to the Corbynistas and thier hatred of the alledged war criminal Blair and his European buddy Maddy.. they were more right wing than Boris ..

Brilliant 👏

If I understand that word soup correctly you think there is something new about socialists who oppose Blair (and Starmer) giving their votes to Labour because that is better than the Tory alternative?

Why?

Socialists have done that since Labour was formed. It isn’t new and it shouldn’t be hard to understand.

[life on mars]

Re: Kier yesterday

Sunak and Starmer both parachuted from nowhere into safe seats before being elected as MPs in the 2015 General Election.

Then a meteoric ascent for both to lead both wings of the Uniparty.

Sponsored by WEF no doubt.

I remarked yesterday Starmer (and Reeves') names appeared on the Davos (AKA WEF) attendee list for its annual conference beginning today.

He has been truthful many on this board won't recognise Labour's in grained anti semitic views at least he had balls to say “On behalf of the Labour Party, I am sorry,” he said. “And I will tear out this poison by its roots and judge success by the return of Jewish members and those who felt that they could no longer support us.”

He is deeply internationalist bod ..

Belongs to an organisation whose past members are very right wing globalist..

[life on mars]

Re: Kier yesterday

In English?

Nice avoidance seen your rants about Blair and centrist Labour to know this is a very bitter pill to swallow .. never mind in Sheffield you could vote for Rod Liddles social democrats party they think they can grab it .. enjoy the non left ride ..

[jon1959]

Re: Kier yesterday

He has been truthful many on this board won't recognise Labour's in grained anti semitic views at least he had balls to say “On behalf of the Labour Party, I am sorry,” he said. “And I will tear out this poison by its roots and judge success by the return of Jewish members and those who felt that they could no longer support us.”

Poisonous drivel.

Although Starmer has been very active expelling elderly socialist Jews on the grounds that they are hopelessly antisemitic - because they reject a racist state ideology that Starmer claims as his own and they stand by ethnically cleansed and victimised Palestinians despite the personal and political cost.

[life on mars]

Re: Kier yesterday

From a left wing publication :

https://labourheartlands.com/sir-keir-starmer-the-establishment-candidate-the-labour-leadership-race-and-the-trilateral-commission/

Sir Keir Starmer: The Trilateral Commission and Jeffrey Epstein
It should, therefore, be very concerning when we find that the Labour Party Leader Sir Keir Starmer is a member of an organisation that believes, we the people have too much freedom, too much democracy.

An organisation that believes the working class and the masses should be removed from any democratic process leaving the issues of democracy and government to the elite, the establishment.

[jon1959]

Re: Kier yesterday

Nice avoidance seen your rants about Blair and centrist Labour to know this is a very bitter pill to swallow .. never mind in Sheffield you could vote for Rod Liddles social democrats party they think they can grab it .. enjoy the non left ride ..

In English?

[Dorcus]

Re: Kier yesterday

He has been truthful many on this board won't recognise Labour's in grained anti semitic views at least he had balls to say “On behalf of the Labour Party, I am sorry,” he said. “And I will tear out this poison by its roots and judge success by the return of Jewish members and those who felt that they could no longer support us.”

He is deeply internationalist bod ..

Belongs to an organisation whose past members are very right wing globalist..

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with this Jewish issue; pray why?

[Organ Morgan.]

Re: Kier yesterday

I don’t have a crystal ball to see what a future right leaning Starmer government will do - but the last Labour government (similar political agenda but more charisma and more policies) brought in Sure Start, the Decent Homes Programme, more investment in the NHS (albeit alongside major privatisation) and a raft of redistribution measures on the quiet by Prudence Bruin in his budgets. Those made a difference to real people.

Blair was also brown-nosing Murdoch, lying to promote an illegal war with his mate Bush, and acting as the ‘safe hands’ heir to Thatcher.

But the good stuff above was worth having.

It didn’t just fall from the skies either. It came from decades of pressure and campaigns by Labour members, affiliated unions and others who found ways of getting a Labour government to pass some progressive laws and tax/spend measures. The same will happen again as long as Labour has some remaining political and organisational ties to its roots and its base.

The stage is yours again!

You had the chance to highlight reforms Labour moaned and groaned about during 18 years under Thatcher and Major which they could have undone during their 13 years under Blair and Brown. You failed because they did too. The Tories privatising essential services and plenty besides that wasn't nailed down to carpet baggers, along with decapitating workers' rights, stand out.

The next government will be a Great Reset one pushing net zero at every turn, and it'll matter not a jot whether the Blues or Reds occupy the government benches because that's the agenda they both share.