Carol Vorderman.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Okay Bob but if you define everything by what happened in a binary referendum seven years we will never move on from it.

But that's exactly what you're doing - Carole Cadwalladr is a "remoaner" so "she doesn't tell the truth, spreads wild conspiracy theories and tried to undermine a vote". You do this quite often - accuse someone, sometimes rightly, of having a blinkered point of view while revealing that you're just the same as them, but from the opposite viewpoint. Objectively speaking, the only one of the three things you accuse Ms Cadwalladr of doing which can be said to be correct is the last one - the other two are just your, biased, take on the situation.

[JamesWales]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

But that's exactly what you're doing - Carole Cadwalladr is a "remoaner" so "she doesn't tell the truth, spreads wild conspiracy theories and tried to undermine a vote". You do this quite often - accuse someone, sometimes rightly, of having a blinkered point of view while revealing that you're just the same as them, but from the opposite viewpoint. Objectively speaking, the only one of the three things you accuse Ms Cadwalladr of doing which can be said to be correct is the last one - the other two are just your, biased, take on the situation.

I haven't used those words at all. She has endlessly spread debunked conspiracy theories about how 'Russia bought Brexit' etc. All entirely unproven. And she admitted that what she said about Arron Banks wasn't true (what he sued her for) and she was part of a campaign to try and reverse a referendum.

These are things I'm saying about her, not everyone who voted that way - that's you putting words in my mouth. There are plenty of journalists I admire that voted remain, the two newspapers I read most often ran editorials encouraging it (Times and Western Mail). The issue is I think she is largely full of shite. 🤷

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

I haven't used those words at all. She has endlessly spread debunked conspiracy theories about how 'Russia bought Brexit' etc. All entirely unproven. And she admitted that what she said about Arron Banks wasn't true (what he sued her for) and she was part of a campaign to try and reverse a referendum.

These are things I'm saying about her, not everyone who voted that way - that's you putting words in my mouth. There are plenty of journalists I admire that voted remain, the two newspapers I read most often ran editorials encouraging it (Times and Western Mail). The issue is I think she is largely full of shite. ��

Why do you’d think I put that bit in quotation marks? It’s exactly what you said in an earlier post in this thread. Your “debunked” claims about Russia and Brexit are still up for debate I’d say and this piece shows that what you called lies are a lot more nuanced than that

https://www.bindmans.com/knowledge-hub/blogs/arron-banks-and-carole-cadwalladr-what-does-it-all-mean/

[JamesWales]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Why do you’d think I put that bit in quotation marks? It’s exactly what you said in an earlier post in this thread. Your “debunked” claims about Russia and Brexit are still up for debate I’d say and this piece shows that what you called lies are a lot more nuanced than that

https://www.bindmans.com/knowledge-h...s-it-all-mean/

Wait, what, I never said that in this thread!

No, there is no evidence for it, you will find all you like on the internet just like arch trumpers will find things about electoral interference but it's not true. Which does help illustrate the reason why journalists spreading such stuff is a reason to be critical of them.

[az city]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Why do you’d think I put that bit in quotation marks? It’s exactly what you said in an earlier post in this thread. Your “debunked” claims about Russia and Brexit are still up for debate I’d say and this piece shows that what you called lies are a lot more nuanced than that

https://www.bindmans.com/knowledge-h...s-it-all-mean/

I have a lot of time for Carole Cadwalladr. She is a campaigner for truth and transparency, Banks not so much. She has also been trolled relentlessly and unjustifiably.

The case hinged on what Carole meant (in an unscripted TED Talk) in one somewhat vague sentence. She says her mind was on pointing out Banks had lied about the number of his meetings with Russian state actors. Banks LOST. He's on the hook for millions in costs. That is why he's appealing. In all this I know where my sympathies lie.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Wait, what, I never said that in this thread!

No, there is no evidence for it, you will find all you like on the internet just like arch trumpers will find things about electoral interference but it's not true. Which does help illustrate the reason why journalists spreading such stuff is a reason to be critical of them.

Have a look at your post at 18.52 yesterday.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Far too much plastic surgery going on

Dreadful tory

[ToTaL ITK]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Far too much plastic surgery going on

Dreadful tory

feck orf . she's a sort and needs to be dealt with.

To the rest of you...well lets all focus on the media lady and forget about the bunch of lying arsehole's that are in GOVT. You are so easily side tracked and focused into the side lines it's almost funny

[JamesWales]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Well, Carole Cadwalladr is having to pay Arron Banks £35,000 in damages..

Conspiracy theories are fun until they cost you money and reputation I suppose

https://pressgazette.co.uk/media_law/arron-banks-wins-carole-cadwalladr-libel-appeal/

[az city]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Remind me, which way did you vote in 2016?

:thumbup: Jimbo gunna Jimbo.

[JamesWales]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

:thumbup: Jimbo gunna Jimbo.

What, be proved correct? I do try!

This is what you said a couple of months ago!

"I have a lot of time for Carole Cadwalladr. She is a campaigner for truth and transparency."

[Heathblue]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Well, Carole Cadwalladr is having to pay Arron Banks £35,000 in damages..

Conspiracy theories are fun until they cost you money and reputation I suppose

https://pressgazette.co.uk/media_law...-libel-appeal/

Russia has embarrassed a few on this MB, Carole Cadwalladr is in esteemed company 🤣🤣🤣

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Russia has embarrassed a few on this MB, Carole Cadwalladr is in esteemed company 🤣🤣🤣

Weren't them some leaked documents that identified her as an operative?

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Reading the triumphalism on here today, I take it the two cases Aaron Banks lost have been overturned?

[JamesWales]

Re: Carol Vorderman.

Reading the triumphalism on here today, I take it the two cases Aaron Banks lost have been overturned?

Yeah she has to pay him £35000. No triumphalism. But the shite she spewed out about Russia buying elections was the kind of trope that has been very divisive in our society in the last few years. So it's good to see there are consequences. She evidently has more in common with Fox News than she would like!