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Exactly when, if when, are Reading going to get their 6 point deduction. With 9 games left to play for surely there has to be a decision imminently, one way or the other. It affects not just the club in question, but with a relegation battle involved, a load of other clubs as well.
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Don’t know whether I’ve dreamt this but I’m sure I heard that any ‘this season’ points deductions have to be confirmed by this Thursday.Originally posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post -
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I think that may just apply to points deductions for administration. But I’m probably wrong.Originally posted by splott parker View PostComment
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I heard today off a Reading fan that they’re not going to to be deducted any points…might be wishful thinking.Comment
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I know a coach involved at Reading ( not 1st team I might add ) the club are pretty sure they have done what the business plan says and won't be docked pointsOriginally posted by Whisperer View PostComment
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Ince said this evening he still expects a points deduction. We were dreadful again today.Comment
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Read it about Sheff United.Originally posted by splott parker View Post
Maybe you read the same thingComment
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A long read but explains it I believe
12 SPORTING SANCTIONS
Introduction
The following Regulation provides for how sporting sanctions will be applied to a Club when the Club, or any Group Undertaking, becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, and also makes provision for an appeals mechanism, but only on the grounds of ‘Force Majeure’. The purpose of the Regulation is to provide a strong deterrent against conduct that creates a risk of an Insolvency Event (because of the significant harm that such events cause to The League, the League Competition, all Member Clubs, the Club itself and wider stakeholders in the local community) and to redress the competitive advantage that a Club obtains by fielding players that it cannot afford over other Clubs that live within their means. The Regulation is to be interpreted and applied in a manner that furthers this purpose.
12.1 If any Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, that Club shall be deducted 12 points either scored or to be scored in the League Competition (as determined in accordance with Regulations 12.3 – 12.8).
12.2 If a Group Undertaking of a Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, the Board shall have the power to impose upon the Club a deduction of 12 points either scored or to be scored in the League Competition (as determined in accordance with Regulations 12.3 – 12.8). In exercising this power the Board shall have regard to all the circumstances of the case and to:
12.2.1 such of the provisions of the Insolvency Act, the Competition Act 1998 and the Enterprise Act 2002 as are relevant and then in force;
12.2.2 the need to protect the integrity and continuity of the League Competition;
12.2.3 the reputation of The League and the need to promote the game of association football generally; and
12.2.4 the relationship between the Club and the Group Undertaking.
12.3 Subject to the provisions of Regulation 12.4 below, where the Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, or the Board impose a deduction in accordance with Regulation 12.2:
12.3.1 during the Normal Playing Season but prior to 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, the points deduction shall apply immediately;
12.3.2 during the Normal Playing Season but after 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, Regulation 12.4 shall apply; and
12.3.3 outside the Normal Playing Season, the points deduction shall apply in respect of the following Season such that the Club starts that Season on minus 12 points (including in the National League if appropriate).
12.4 Where the circumstances set out in Regulation 12.3.2 apply and at the end of that Season, having regard to the number of championship points awarded (ignoring any potential deduction):
12.4.1 the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or
12.4.2 the Club would not be relegated as aforesaid, the points deduction will apply in that Season and Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7 will then apply (if appropriate) following imposition of the points deduction.
12.5 For the avoidance of doubt, where a Club and/or Group Undertaking is subject to more than one of the procedures in Regulation 12.1 above during a process of compromising creditors (for example Administration followed by a Company Voluntary Arrangement), the Club shall only be deducted one set of 12 points, such deduction to apply with effect from the first Insolvency Event.
12.6 If:
12.6.1 any club relegated to The League from The Premier League (in accordance with the rules of The Premier League) (a ‘Relegated Club’) whilst it was a member of The Premier League became subject to or suffered an Insolvency Event at any time following the end of the season (as defined in the rules of The Premier League) but before the Relegated Club becomes a member of The League, then that Relegated Club, upon being accepted as a member of The League in accordance with Regulations 7.8 and 10.1 shall suffer a deduction of 12 points in the League Competition, such points deduction to apply in respect of the following Season such that the Club starts that Season in The Championship on minus 12 points;
12.6.2 any Group Undertaking of a Relegated Club, whilst the Relegated Club was a member of The Premier League, became subject to or suffered an Insolvency Event at any time following the end of the season (season being as defined in the rules of The Premier League) but before the Relegated Club becomes a member of The League, then the Board shall have the power to impose upon that Relegated Club, upon being accepted as a member of The League in accordance with Regulations 7.8 and 10.1, a deduction of 12 points in the League Competition. In exercising this power the Board shall have regard to all the circumstances of the case and the matters set out in Regulation 12.2. Where the Board impose a deduction in accordance with this Regulation, the Relegated Club shall suffer a deduction of 12 points in the League Competition, such points deduction to apply in respect of the following Season such that the Club starts that Season in The Championship on minus 12 points.
12 .7 If:
12.7.1 any club promoted to The League from the National League (in accordance with the rules of the National League and these Regulations) (a ‘Former NL Club’) became subject to or suffered an Insolvency Event whilst it was a member of the National League and the circumstances set out in rule 14A.2.3 of the rules of the National League apply then that Former NL Club, on becoming a Club, shall suffer a deduction of 12 points in respect of that Club’s first Season in The League such that the Club starts the Season in League Two on minus 12 points;
12.7.2 any Group Undertaking of a Former NL Club, whilst the Former NL Club was a member of The National League, became subject to or suffered an Insolvency Event whilst it was a member of the National League and the circumstances set out in rule 14A.2.3 of the rules of the National League apply, but before the Former NL Club becomes a member of The League, then the Board shall have the power to impose upon that Former NL Club, upon being accepted as a member of The League in accordance with Regulations 7.8 and 10.1, a deduction of 12 points scored or to be scored in the League Competition. In exercising this power the Board shall have regard to all the circumstances of the case and the matters set out in Regulation 12.2. Where the Board imposes a deduction in accordance with this Regulation, the Former NL Club shall suffer a deduction of 12 points in the League Competition in respect of that Club’s first Season in The League such that the Club starts the Season in League Two on minus 12 points.
12.8 For the purpose of this Regulation 12:
12.8.1 where an Insolvency Event is taken or suffered other than on a Business Day (as defined by the Insolvency Rules 1986 as amended from time to time) then for the purposes of determining the timing of any points deduction only the Insolvency Event will be deemed to have occurred on the immediately preceding Business Day; and
12.8.2 if a Company Voluntary Arrangement is approved, then approval of that Company Voluntary Arrangement shall be deemed to have been given at the date of the first meeting of creditors called to consider that Company Voluntary Arrangement, and not the date of any adjourned meeting of creditors or the meeting of shareholders.
12.9 The League shall serve the Club with written notice of the points deduction (the ‘Notice’) . Article 50 shall apply as to the timing of receipt of such Notice.
12.10 A Club may appeal:
12.10.1 against an automatic deduction of points imposed pursuant to Regulations 12.1, 12.6 or 12.7 (respectively) where a Club, Premier League club or National League Club suffers an Insolvency Event
12.10.2 against a points deduction imposed by the Board pursuant to Regulation 12.2 where a Group Undertaking suffers an Insolvency Event,
(each a ‘Sporting Sanction’) but only on the ground set out in Regulation 12.11 (a ‘Sporting Sanctions Appeal’).
12.11 To prevail on a Sporting Sanction Appeal, the Club must prove to the satisfaction of a League Arbitration Panel, on the balance of probabilities, that:
12.11.1 the dominant and effective cause of the Insolvency Event was a loss of material Club Income; and
12.11.2 that loss Club Income was caused by and resulted directly from a Force Majeure event; and
12.11.3 the Club and its Officials could not have avoided the Insolvency Event by cutting costs or other measures within their control.
12.12 For purposes of Regulation 12.11:
12.12.1 ‘Club Income’ means income arising from the Club’s trading activities, such as gate receipts and other match-day income, amounts receivable from other Clubs (e.g. pursuant to contracts for the sale of player registrations), amounts receivable pursuant to sponsorship agreements or other commercial contracts, and amounts that The League had previously said would be receivable from the Pool Account. ‘Club Income’ does not include:
(a) any income not received due to the non-renewal upon expiry of a sponsorship agreement or other commercial contract; or
(b) any income received either directly or indirectly (including but not limited to income by way of sponsorship agreement or other commercial contract) from an Associated Party of the Person who has Control of the Club; or
(c) funding committed or expected to be committed to the Club by any Person who has Control of the Club (whether by way of injections of capital, loans, donations, gifts, or otherwise).
12.12.2 A ‘Force Majeure event’ means an event that:
(a) is not a normal business risk;
(b) is not foreseeable;
(c) is not something over which the Club and/or Group Undertaking (as applicable) could reasonably be expected to have any control; and
(d) could not have been avoided by its Officials acting with due diligence.
12.13 Any Sporting Sanctions Appeal must be in writing and be received by The League at its registered office no later than ten Normal Working Days after The League serves the Notice. Instead of a Notice of Arbitration, the Sporting Sanctions Appeal must contain a statement setting out all of the facts on which the appeal is based and must be accompanied by copies of any lay or expert witness evidence and/or documentation upon which the Club wishes to rely in support of the appeal.
12.14 The Club must also lodge with The League, at the same time as the Sporting Sanctions Appeal, a deposit of:
12.14.1 £50,000 for a Club in the Championship division;
12.14.2 £20,000 for a Club League One; and
12.14.3 £10,000 for a Club League Two,
in respect of the costs of the appeal .
Guidance
Where the Club has an immediate cash shortfall meaning that it is unable to pay the deposit, the administrators may apply to The League to deduct the deposit from the Club’s Basic Award as a cost of the administration.
12.15 Upon receipt of the Sporting Sanctions Appeal The League shall;
12.15.1 refer the matter to the League Arbitration Panel in accordance with the provisions of Section 9 of these Regulations, supplemented by the provisions of this Regulation 12, and in the event of any conflict between Section 9 and this Regulation, this Regulation shall prevail; and
12.15.2 instruct a firm of independent accountants to carry out a review of the activities of the Club and/or any Group Undertaking for the purposes of preparing an independent report into the circumstances surrounding and leading up to the relevant Insolvency Event(s). The Club shall meet the costs of preparation of that report in any event. The report shall be provided to the Club, the League Arbitration Panel and The League and the League Arbitration Panel shall take its contents into account in determining whether the Club met its burden under Regulation 12.11.
12.16 Unless otherwise agreed by the parties or so ordered by the League Arbitration Panel, the League Arbitration Panel shall hear any Sporting Sanctions Appeal within 21 days of the filing the appeal and; shall issue its decision as soon as possible thereafter.
12.17 If (and only if) the Club meets its burden of proof under Regulation 12.11, the League Arbitration Panel shall have the power to:
12.17.1 confirm the deduction of 12 points; or
12.17.2 set aside the deduction of 12 points and substitute a deduction of such lower number of points as it shall deem appropriate; or
12.17.3 order that there shall be no sanction at all.
12.18 If the League Arbitration Panel decides that the Sporting Sanction Appeal had no real prospect of success, it shall have the power to increase the number of points deducted up to a maximum of 15 points.
12.19 Any costs incurred by The League in connection with the Sporting Sanction Appeal shall be met by the Club on an indemnity basis in any event and shall be considered as a sum due to The League for the purposes of Article 48.
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"prior to 4th Thursday in March'... This Thursday then.Comment
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TLG or Splott Parker will be along with a sarcastic comment confirming either way very shortly.Originally posted by A Quiet Monkfish View PostComment
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Hmm, I wasn’t sure, I said I may have dreamt it being next Thursday, one up to you in the sarcasm stakes:thumbup:Originally posted by dembethewarrior View PostComment
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I think you're about 50-1 up on me mate :hehe:Originally posted by splott parker View PostComment
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Room for improvement then. ‘Must try harder’ at the bottom of your exam sheet:hehe:Originally posted by dembethewarrior View PostComment
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:hehe:Originally posted by splott parker View Post
On a serious note, there's always room for self improvement ☺️Comment
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