The blame game

[blue lewj]

Re: The blame game

That report is four years old. Do you believe the club has operated in the same way since Warnock departed? I don't.

There is no mention of a recruitment team in that report. Harris mentioned a recruitment team a couple of times, while Morison did so frequently. I'm pretty sure Hudson did too. In think the transfer set-up is almost certainly significantly different now to how it was in 2019.

Unless you've got any proof to suggest otherwise then what makes you think it doesn't work that way?

With Tan saying Warnock duped him then surely he would be more hands on if anything.

The opening line of the article mentions taking a look at the transfer committee I'm guessing they look at recruitment.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: The blame game

That report is four years old. Do you believe the club has operated in the same way since Warnock departed? I don't.

There is no mention of a recruitment team in that report. Harris mentioned a recruitment team a couple of times, while Morison did so frequently. I'm pretty sure Hudson did too. In think the transfer set-up is almost certainly significantly different now to how it was in 2019.

Steve Morison also spoke at length how every player was targeted, how pleased he was with the signings and how it wouldn’t be another season of struggle.

Some managers might toe the party line but I cannot imagine Morison doing it for a second if signings were forced on him.

[blue lewj]

Re: The blame game

Steve Morison also spoke at length how every player was targeted, how pleased he was with the signings and how it wouldn’t be another season of struggle.

Some managers might toe the party line but I cannot imagine Morison doing it for a second if signings were forced on him.

Who's said they were forced on him?

I'm just saying he wasn't the only one who would have been part of the process. People can twist it how they like but Tan signs it off even if we're going by the thinking that the committee has changed (with no proof).

I'm still waiting on what part of what I've typed has been disproven.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: The blame game

Who's said they were forced on him?

I'm just saying he wasn't the only one who would have been part of the process. People can twist it how they like but Tan signs it off even if we're going by the thinking that the committee has changed (with no proof).

I'm still waiting on what part of what I've typed has been disproven.

Here you go

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/steve-morison-explains-cardiff-citys-24678731.amp

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/cardiff-city-cast-transfer-net-23552164

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: The blame game

Unless you've got any proof to suggest otherwise then what makes you think it doesn't work that way?

You are basing your belief on an article published four years ago. I'm basing mine on the things managers have said subsequently.

When Morison was given a new contract in March 2022, he said: "We need to evolve as a football club, we need to move away from where we've been because the game's changing. We've got to move with the change. Our recruitment and scouting teams know what type of players we want. It would be the same if someone else was here."

I believe the set-up behind the scenes has changed since that article was published four years ago. I believe the transfers were largely driven by Warnock when he was here. I think there are more people involved now. But of course the owner, the chairman and the CEO are also involved. Only an idiot would think otherwise.

[blue lewj]

Re: The blame game

Here you go

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/steve-morison-explains-cardiff-citys-24678731.amp

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...r-net-23552164

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

Are you suggesting Morison compiled the names of the squad, signed them himself and just told Vinny how much he had to write the cheques for?

All this with Vinny and his utter dislike of managers pulling the wool over his eyes?

[blue lewj]

Re: The blame game

You are basing your belief on an article published four years ago. I'm basing mine on the things managers have said subsequently.

When Morison was given a new contract in March 2022, he said: "We need to evolve as a football club, we need to move away from where we've been because the game's changing. We've got to move with the change. Our recruitment and scouting teams know what type of players we want. It would be the same if someone else was here."

I believe the set-up behind the scenes has changed since that article was published four years ago. I believe the transfers were largely driven by Warnock when he was here. I think there are more people involved now. But of course the owner, the chairman and the CEO are also involved. Only an idiot would think otherwise.

I know what I'm basing my belief on.
The only real reports about how the structure of the club works in relation to transfers.

A few quotes form Morison prove very little.
He actually mentions a recruitment and scouting team in the quote too.

You can believe what you like. I just like to base it on concrete facts.

I just feel it is wrong to throw a manager under the bus and blame the squad on him when our board and owner are so hands on. If the squad is crap at least some blame should be on them. When the only other person involved was employed by them then I feel the vast majority of the blame for our current situation should be on them.
Just blaming a manager who was only part of the transfer process is illogical.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: The blame game

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

Are you suggesting Morison compiled the names of the squad, signed them himself and just told Vinny how much he had to write the cheques for?

All this with Vinny and his utter dislike of managers pulling the wool over his eyes?

Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying. That is obviously what I think happens.

Alternatively Tan gave Morison and the recruitment team a budget to stick to, they signed players within that budget and Tan probably put his hand in his pocket to sign Robinson as we couldn’t get a striker over the line otherwise. Anyway, you clearly won’t change your mind so have a nice day.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: The blame game

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

Read the bloody articles, man!

I'll save you the hassle:

"During Neil Harris' reign, the board pushed for an overhaul in the recruitment structure and we are seeing tangible rewards now. External appointments have brought a fresh perspective and have moved the club in a more sustainable direction. Morison, who was initially brought in to manage the under-23s, David Hughes, now head of the academy, and recruitment chief Kevin Beadell, who joined from Arsenal, have all had a positive impact since their arrivals. (As an aside, recruitment consultant Dave Bowman was brought in from Ipswich Town, but he left the club when Mick McCarthy was let go.)

"Insiders at the club also continue to talk up the work of analysts Patrick Deboys and Matthew Jenkins, both of whom are crucial to the Bluebirds' recruitment network and have played key roles in identifying talent over the last few windows. Now there is a push to expand the recruitment department's reach."

Your transfer committee article is outdated. The club doesn't work like that any more.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: The blame game

I know what I'm basing my belief on.
The only real reports about how the structure of the club works in relation to transfers.

Read this, same source, dated 2022 as opposed to 2019:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/cardiff-city-cast-transfer-net-23552164

[blue lewj]

Re: The blame game

Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying. That is obviously what I think happens.

Alternatively Tan gave Morison and the recruitment team a budget to stick to, they signed players within that budget and Tan probably put his hand in his pocket to sign Robinson as we couldn’t get a striker over the line otherwise. Anyway, you clearly won’t change your mind so have a nice day.

What am I changing my mind about?

I said it is unfair to blame the manager every time when the board pick that manager and he is only one part of the recruitment process.

Surely the whole idea of a committee is that all participants offer their views. To then just sack the person that they employed and blame that person is unfair.

[blue lewj]

Re: The blame game

Read this, same source, dated 2022 as opposed to 2019:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...r-net-23552164

What parts of that say that Dalman, Choo and Tan aren't involved?

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: The blame game

What parts of that say that Dalman, Choo and Tan aren't involved?

Forget it. You're impossible to enter into any kind of meaningful debate with. You make claims which are untrue. You are provided with evidence to demonstrate that your claims are untrue. You then try to move the goalposts and maintain you were right.

I'm off out for a walk. You can argue with yourself to your heart's content.

[blue lewj]

Re: The blame game

Forget it. You're impossible to enter into any kind of meaningful debate with. You make claims which are untrue. You are provided with evidence to demonstrate that your claims are untrue. You then try to move the goalposts and maintain you were right.

I'm off out for a walk. You can argue with yourself to your heart's content.

What debate is there to be had?

The club said there is a committee.
Are you suggesting Tan, Dalman and Choo now have no input with regards to transfers?

Morison said there is a recruitment team. Who do you think is part of that team? I'd guess the bloke who is paying the money for them, especially when we haven't been told that he isn't a member anymore.

As I say if that is what you want to believe then crack on.

[pipster]

Re: The blame game

Morison's experiment?

Do you think Morison actually chose to assemble a squad with 3 buttons and a Curly Wurly?

No, the plans all start and end with Tan, including employing Morison as a manager in the first place. Tan is the problem, or more specifically his inability to run a football club or learn from mistakes.

True - and that is not going to change any time soon - unless you are a secret billionaire. We can only hope that Tan learns from his mistakes, sacks Dalman and Choo, appoints someone full time to run the sh1t show and someone who can advise Tan where he is going wrong and why he is losing so much money per month.