St Pauli

[Harry Lime]

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So these ultras who it's thought were right wing skull crushers especially at lazio are in some cases far from it ?

Very much so. Hooligan groups and Ultras are often lumped together and there are blurred lines, but lots of ultra groups are simply loyal and ardent fans. The rise of the far right across Europe has definitely seen a shift in the politics within formerly apolitical ultra groups. However plenty of clubs both small and large have ultra groups who range from liberal/left, to anarchist, to just taking a stand against racism and the extreme right. Marseille, AEK Athens, Sporting Lisbon, Werder Bremen and Standard Liege are probably the most notable of the bigger clubs off the top of my head.

[Harry Lime]

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Dulwich Hamlets have become a very left-leaning support base, who seem to be inspired by St Pauli etc, and has now become rather self perpetuating.

Liverpool and Celtic may dine out on some things that some people could consider left-wing but I wouldn't write home about it. Both clubs massively exploit their fan bases and Celtics shtick has always been Irish republicanism, which is fawned upon by some leftist people but is independent of any real ideology of that sort. Liverpool do offer some £9 tickets to home fans but generally there is nothing really left-wing about either of them. They are big stinking greedy rip-off merchants.

My understanding has always been; St Pauli, Real Vallecano, Livorno (who wave USSR flags 😬) and Hapoel Tel Aviv as being famously left-wing fan bases. I believe the upwardly mobile Union Gilloise in Belgium are too, but often this is just twitter talk, a bit like how Swansea are best buds with Den Haag but 95% of Swans fans couldn't point to it on a map

I'm not sure of any genuinely left-wing football clubs though, and what would it even mean? I have far more respect for Brentford in changing their shirts every two seasons or the ticket prices charged by any German club over the hypocritical iconography used by the likes of Liverpool and Celtic

Agree

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Very much so. Hooligan groups and Ultras are often lumped together and there are blurred lines, but lots of ultra groups are simply loyal and ardent fans. The rise of the far right across Europe has definitely seen a shift in the politics within formerly apolitical ultra groups. However plenty of clubs both small and large have ultra groups who range from liberal/left, to anarchist, to just taking a stand against racism and the extreme right. Marseille, AEK Athens, Sporting Lisbon, Werder Bremen and Standard Liege are probably the most notable of the bigger clubs off the top of my head.

Marseille has got to have one of the most cosmopolitan fan groups in world football

I think it's an amazing city

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Very much so. Hooligan groups and Ultras are often lumped together and there are blurred lines, but lots of ultra groups are simply loyal and ardent fans. The rise of the far right across Europe has definitely seen a shift in the politics within formerly apolitical ultra groups. However plenty of clubs both small and large have ultra groups who range from liberal/left, to anarchist, to just taking a stand against racism and the extreme right. Marseille, AEK Athens, Sporting Lisbon, Werder Bremen and Standard Liege are probably the most notable of the bigger clubs off the top of my head.

Are these all working class , dockside , blue collar football clubs ?

[Harry Lime]

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Are these all working class , dockside , blue collar football clubs ?

I know Liege is an industrial city. As for class I think that so called traditional working class towns and cities are just as much if not more likely to attract the far right elements these days.

[Swiss Peter]

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It's called Ultra by Tobias Jones. He's a Parma fan who now spends most of his time running countryside projects for 'wayward' urban kids.

Here's an interview from a few years ago


https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...a-tobias-jones

Must look out for that.

Guess you would have read Another Football is Possible by Vinas and Parra? It's a bit heavy going at times, but well researched and quite interesting in terms of the history generally of that part of Hamburg.

[Swiss Peter]

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I recall getting some great advice from you Peter, unfortunately personal circumstances plus lockdown messed up my trip. Their support seems incredibly loyal but I think that a cult following from overseas makes their tickets particularly hard to come by.

Hope you have a memorable experience there. I'll be watching 🏴*☠️

I think you're right. In the Haupttribune which is the only part of the ground that I have managed to get tickets for I get the sense that there are quite a lot of football tourists like me around.

I should have said in my reply to Kev that whilst all matches seem to be sold out, I've seen quite a few empty seats dotted around, and I've bought tickets for 'sold out' matches which show up as sold out online by simply turning up at the ticket office. Returns, I guess.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I know Liege is an industrial city. As for class I think that so called traditional working class towns and cities are just as much if not more likely to attract the far right elements these days.

Barnsley

Swansea

[dembethewarrior]

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Barnsley

Swansea

Luton

[blue lewj]

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Look up and contact Fanladen at St Pauli if you are interested in a game.

[Harry Lime]

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Must look out for that.

Guess you would have read Another Football is Possible by Vinas and Parra? It's a bit heavy going at times, but well researched and quite interesting in terms of the history generally of that part of Hamburg.

No not read it, cheers for the reminder Peter. I remember reading a preview but then forgot all about it

[TWGL1]

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Luton

Luton, no way, very multi cultural firm / support base

[dembethewarrior]

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Luton, no way, very multi cultural firm / support base

And a lot of EDL type idiots from up that way as well.

[Harry Lime]

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Jinksed 'em

[Swiss Peter]

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Jinksed 'em

:hehe: yep. Braunschweig of all teams!