Bagan

[Hilts]

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sabri-lamouchi-urges-cardiff-city-26686445

He wont play him but he should get a long deal. Hes 22 ffs and we have no recognised LB.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Bagan

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-city-26686445

He wont play him but he should get a long deal. Hes 22 ffs and we have no recognised LB.

What has he done to earn one?

No Manager has played him?

[Hilts]

Re: Bagan

What has he done to earn one?

No Manager has played him?

Well Lamouchi has seen enough to think he warrants one but doesn't think he deserves a place at Lb or lwb before Romeo Ojo or Simpson.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Bagan

Well Lamouchi has seen enough to think he warrants one but doesn't think he deserves a place at Lb or lwb before Romeo Ojo or Simpson.

Exactly, you could argue that Lamouchi rates him as the sixth best left back/wing back at the club currently. I was just assuming he’d be released at the end of the season.

[life on mars]

Re: Bagan

I have seen the lad at first hand (not via TV ) he has plenty of potential, wants to play , he judt needs experience, get nastier, consider his defence position from the wing back area all if which is a coaching development tasks . I'd give him a contract .. and question the coaching ?

[Tuerto]

Re: Bagan

I have seen the lad at first hand (not via TV ) he has plenty of potential, wants to play , he judt needs experience, get nastier, consider his defence position from the wing back area all if which is a coaching development tasks . I'd give him a contract .. and question the coaching ?

Not knocking you or your post, there's a bit of sense to it, but why do so many people on here think that coaching is the key to everything? It isn't, Players learn the fundamentals, understand positioning, tactics etc, but at some point progress and improvement has to come from within, there's no magic wand.

[City123]

Re: Bagan

I'd guess the reason Lamouchi hasn't played him is because we're in a relegation fight and he doesn't want to bring in someone from the u21s who's barely played this season. He showed last season that he's capable of playing at this level, but perhaps with so little time left Lamouchi doesn't want to risk a player who's being brought up to speed

[2b2bdoo]

Re: Bagan

I'd guess the reason Lamouchi hasn't played him is because we're in a relegation fight and he doesn't want to bring in someone from the u21s who's barely played this season. He showed last season that he's capable of playing at this level, but perhaps with so little time left Lamouchi doesn't want to risk a player who's being brought up to speed

Only thing I can think of.

Does seem a little odd though considering the issues at left back this season and he hasn’t made the bench recently. Does seem like Lamouchi prefers experience at this time, like you said maybe because of the situation. I don’t think we plan how he would want either but horses for courses.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Bagan

Well Lamouchi has seen enough to think he warrants one but doesn't think he deserves a place at Lb or lwb before Romeo Ojo or Simpson.

Or perhaps because he's younger (I'll watch my words as we've had a 26 year old young player of the year unless my mind's playing tricks on me) he understands there's still time to develop him, and given his confidence issues he's not ready to throw him into the lineup and completely destroy him while his confidence may still be low. Perhaps he's "developing" him. Imagine that.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Bagan

Not knocking you or your post, there's a bit of sense to it, but why do so many people on here think that coaching is the key to everything? It isn't, Players learn the fundamentals, understand positioning, tactics etc, but at some point progress and improvement has to come from within, there's no magic wand.

Same as I was saying about Josh Murphy. At some point we have to stop blaming Warnock and realise that perhaps he didn't want it enough. Reading about Delle Alli in the press now, what a waste that potentially could be.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

Re: Bagan

Not knocking you or your post, there's a bit of sense to it, but why do so many people on here think that coaching is the key to everything? It isn't, Players learn the fundamentals, understand positioning, tactics etc, but at some point progress and improvement has to come from within, there's no magic wand.

Excellent post!

[Hilts]

Re: Bagan

Or perhaps because he's younger (I'll watch my words as we've had a 26 year old young player of the year unless my mind's playing tricks on me) he understands there's still time to develop him, and given his confidence issues he's not ready to throw him into the lineup and completely destroy him while his confidence may still be low. Perhaps he's "developing" him. Imagine that.

Has Bagan got confidence issues?

It certainly looked like Ojo did on Monday.

He looked a player completely shot of all confidence.

[KingOfSiamIAm]

Re: Bagan

Exactly, you could argue that Lamouchi rates him as the sixth best left back/wing back at the club currently. I was just assuming he’d be released at the end of the season.

If, as you say, he so far back in the pecking order, could it be the case that the manager has said all this because he has no option but to play Bagan over the next few games? Saying such positives publicly as a motivational tool, especially after Bagan being no where near the first team.
We only have to look at the farcical events of the last game, where we had our right back starting at left back, getting exposed early on in the game, being shifted over to his usual position. Then hoping that Ojo can do some sort of miracle defensively on the left (because he is left footed!? Who knows what the thought process behind that was… other than desparation?

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Bagan

Has Bagan got confidence issues?

It certainly looked like Ojo did on Monday.

He looked a player completely shot of all confidence.

If he's starting for the reserves and not the first team it can't be because of talent, because we know what he is capable of with a good run.

Any ideas what else it could be?

[Tuerto]

Re: Bagan

Excellent post!

Thing is, it aint scientific. All of us on here have seen enough football to know when a youngish player has something, Ramsey had that something, Earnie had that something (Although a bit unorthodox) Nathan Blake had that something, as did Joe Ledley and Chris Gunter to a lesser degree, although he had spades of character and a willingness to get involved, he was never afraid to make mistakes, he didn't hide, and look at the career he has had.

Point is, what those lads had couldn't be coached, they were on it, right from the start. Confidence and belief can over ride so many frailties, i'd say that all of the players i have mentioned (ishould have included Ralls) had that edge, belief, a willingness about them. It seems that Bagan may struggle with that, and maybe Colwill and Davies to a lesser degree. All three of them can play a bit, but coaching isn't going to give them what they need, they've been coached since they were 8 years old, they know the drill by now.