Darren Moore leaves Sheffield Wednesday.

[J R Hartley]

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'another' ?

Vieira

[2b2bdoo]

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Vieira

Really? I think Roy showed they were massively under performing?

[J R Hartley]

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Really? I think Roy showed they were massively under performing?

He had a bad run, his first in 2 seasons, after an horrendous run of fixtures. It happens at clubs like Palace.

They were never going down. They were 12th when he was sacked and finished 11th.

[2b2bdoo]

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He had a bad run, his first in 2 seasons, after an horrendous run of fixtures. It happens at clubs like Palace.

They were never going down. They were 12th when he was sacked and finished 11th.

I maybe wrong but I’m sure I read they were 3 points off the relegation zone despite being 12th and most of the teams below them had a game in hand, I wouldn’t say never going down. They were one of the teams to have not won all year when he was sacked in March.

I can’t remember the stats but I’m pretty sure palace were massively struggling to score or get shots on target then started scoring for fun. Roy maybe only moved them once place but they seemed well safe, 11 points ahead of the drop at the end of the season. Huge turn around.

[J R Hartley]

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When Viera got sacked they had just played Man City, Liverpool, Man United twice, Newcastle, Brighton and Brentford .
Woys 5 wins come against the 3 relegated teams, Bournemouth and West Ham.

[2b2bdoo]

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When Viera got sacked they had just played Man City, Liverpool, Man United twice, Newcastle, Brighton and Brentford .
Woys 5 wins come against the 3 relegated teams, Bournemouth and West Ham.

They hadn’t won in 11 and didn’t look like it. Roy did a brilliant job. You can’t go into march winless and expect to be safe.

[J R Hartley]

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They hadn’t won in 11 and didn’t look like it. Roy did a brilliant job. You can’t go into march winless and expect to be safe.

Roy did do a good job with the new manager bounce but he also lost to every “big” club he played against in the 11 fixtures he had, no different to Vieira on his bad run. It was a horrendous run of fixtures.

And they weren’t winless going into March they had 27 points in 27 games. Point a game keeps them up easily.

[Moodybluebird]

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Another black manager treated poorly

Colour has nothing to do with it. If it was, they wouldn't have employed him in the first place. Same applies to Patrick Vieira.

Gary O'Neil did a wonderful job keeping Bournemouth up. They were everyone's favourites to go down but they survived with a couple of games to spare and in the process ensured a cut of untold millions next season. Now that's treating a manager poorly, and he's white.

Both O'Neil and Moore were probably the victims of ambitious boards who believe they need a manager with a bit of star quality to take them to where they want to go.

[MacAdder]

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Colour has nothing to do with it. If it was, they wouldn't have employed him in the first place. Same applies to Patrick Vieira.

Gary O'Neil did a wonderful job keeping Bournemouth up. They were everyone's favourites to go down but they survived with a couple of games to spare and in the process ensured a cut of untold millions next season. Now that's treating a manager poorly, and he's white.

Both O'Neil and Moore were probably the victims of ambitious boards who believe they need a manager with a bit of star quality to take them to where they want to go.

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

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Maybe Moore was unhappy at the playing budget he’d been given?

Unlikely to see him going for the City job if Bulut gets the chop then!

[J R Hartley]

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Colour has nothing to do with it. If it was, they wouldn't have employed him in the first place. Same applies to Patrick Vieira.

Gary O'Neil did a wonderful job keeping Bournemouth up. They were everyone's favourites to go down but they survived with a couple of games to spare and in the process ensured a cut of untold millions next season. Now that's treating a manager poorly, and he's white.

Both O'Neil and Moore were probably the victims of ambitious boards who believe they need a manager with a bit of star quality to take them to where they want to go.

That is your opinion and I respectfully disagree. Sub concious racism is rife in football. Plenty of concious racism too. Darren Moore himself was racially abused by his own "fans" after the first leg v Peterborough.

[Tuerto]

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That is your opinion and I respectfully disagree. Sub concious racism is rife in football. Plenty of concious racism too. Darren Moore himself was racially abused by his own "fans" after the first leg v Peterborough.

I tend to agree with you. I think it's a societal problem, or certainly a problem within high end, high pressure managerial rolls. Black footballers had to work hard for acceptance during the 60s 70s and 80s, that obstacle has almost been eradicated, although there are still plenty of racists out there.

There was a thought amongst racists that Black players back then weren't up for a cold Tuesday night in Stoke, that they were Lazy. Nathan Blake was called Lazy by some of our support, even though he was by far our best player, I can't recall Whittington being called Lazy in the same way Blake was, both similar in terms of natural ability.

The next Hurdle for Black footballers (in my opinion) is to break this thought that I believe exists, that they can't perform in high level managerial rolls, in the same way that they weren't considered of value by some people in football when things got tough.

What is the percentage of Black players at the highest level of football? Yet They don't seem to make that step into Management. Why is that? If Frank Lampard was black then I'm certain that he wouldn't have got the opportunities that he has, and he'll get another one. Just my thoughts.

[TheGoose]

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[TheGoose]

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I tend to agree with you. I think it's a societal problem, or certainly a problem within high end, high pressure managerial rolls. Black footballers had to work hard for acceptance during the 60s 70s and 80s, that obstacle has almost been eradicated, although there are still plenty of racists out there.

There was a thought amongst racists that Black players back then weren't up for a cold Tuesday night in Stoke, that they were Lazy. Nathan Blake was called Lazy by some of our support, even though he was by far our best player, I can't recall Whittington being called Lazy in the same way Blake was, both similar in terms of natural ability.

The next Hurdle for Black footballers (in my opinion) is to break this thought that I believe exists, that they can't perform in high level managerial rolls, in the same way that they weren't considered of value by some people in football when things got tough.

What is the percentage of Black players at the highest level of football? Yet They don't seem to make that step into Management. Why is that? If Frank Lampard was black then I'm certain that he wouldn't have got the opportunities that he has, and he'll get another one. Just my thoughts.

i dont know if youve forgotton or just providing a selective memory but Whittingham was very often called lazy, in fact he probably got that tag more than Blake with the emergence of forums and social media.

not to decry your post as a whole, but that comparison seems a little disingenuous