Mccarthys contract extension- could be a mistake

[goats]

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If that’s true, then the decision was made under duress - the club was probably strong armed into offering him this deal in order to keep him, which is not exactly in line with having a plan.

A plan.....

[Dave Blue]

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I think nabbing a wanted man is quite a good idea considering the run we are on.

[dml1954]

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Dalman apparently said on radio this am that MM was offered the contract now as he had offers from other clubs.

Dalman didn't say that at all. He said that they had a ‘polite enquiry’ from another club (not Celtic) about MM’s position but that they turned it down straight away and said that he would be staying with us longer term. He also said that they were always going to offer him a longer deal and just brought it forward to give certainty going into the summer with regards to our players futures and player recruitment from other clubs. Totally different to the situation you implied.

[life on mars]

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I'm guessing MM would be an attractive appointment as it currently stands , so no it not a mistake , if we lost him now his would that effect your our current progresss and success , are there better options out there , yes, but not at his price and experience.

I don't think we will go up this year however I'd be very interested in Micks transfer decisions in the close season and can only feel that next year we would be a better and seriously good unit if we build on what we have now under Mick.

[stan butler]

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I'm guessing MM would be an attractive appointment as it currently stands , so no it not a mistake , if we lost him now his would that effect your our current progresss and success , are there better options out there , yes, but not at his price and experience.

I don't think we will go up this year however I'd be very interested in Micks transfer decisions in the close season and can only feel that next year we would be a better and seriously good unit if we build on what we have now under Mick.

Totally agree

[stan butler]

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Dalman didn't say that at all. He said that they had a ‘polite enquiry’ from another club (not Celtic) about MM’s position but that they turned it down straight away and said that he would be staying with us longer term. He also said that they were always going to offer him a longer deal and just brought it forward to give certainty going into the summer with regards to our players futures and player recruitment from other clubs. Totally different to the situation you implied.

Makes sense and the right move in my opinion

[Grangenders]

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Dalman apparently said on radio this am that MM was offered the contract now as he had offers from other clubs.

Mick told Dalman that Real Madrid and Barcelona were fighting over him, so we had to act quickly

[ToTaL ITK]

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what's the alternative? the usual list is normally nothing special and most of you don't want any of them .

[BLUEAWAY]

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what's the alternative? the usual list is normally nothing special and most of you don't want any of them .

Absolutely right

[mazadona10]

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Chances are he won't be classed as a success but that's because odds are against him.
It's easy target to suggest he won't succeed because most managers don't.
Mick certainly deserves the job, what he has done has been phenomenal and I think we will fall short of play offs but only because this form can't go on forever.

I look at the championship now and the standard doesn't seem particularly great, the fact we are now in contention after being awful for over half a season proves that. I don't think any of these teams and the ones who went up few years before are anywhere near us fulham and wolves when we all got promoted.

[surge]

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"I said in last summer's transfer window this team is good enough to be in the top six by January, and it's good to be able to see that the quality of the team is beginning to show what they can do."...

"Just looking at how the team has been since he came, in we were always going to do that (offer a new contract)....

"I still think we can make the top six but I don't think it's as easy as it should have been,....

"This league need experienced managers and one thing Mick has is experience...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56291119

- MM has done well but I do hope that we haven't signed him because it saves Dalman an embarrassing quote.

- The new contract shouldn't be on basis of what MM has done so far with likes of Wilson, Ojo but on the basis of what he plans on doing next year when most high profile players leave and most of Warnock's singings enter final year of contract. Who does he plan on resigning? What style of play when most skillful players leave?

- (the traditional embarrassing quote)

- Barnsley don't have an experienced manager, at least not in UK football, but he has done better but he arguably done more over past 10 games than MM has due to beating Brentford and scaring Chelsea.

"Barnsley isn't a sudden case of a manager making a huge difference, it is a project that goes back to the 2017/18 takeover where they committed to a style and have recruited coaches and managers to fit. Available to all clubs with a long term view." - https://twitter.com/SBunching/status...32273762951169

MM has stood up well to every test so far but future plans, and execution of this, matter more than what he's been doing so far.

[The Hooded Claw]

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In terms of future plans, it looks like Glatzel will be gone in the summer, since McMick doesn’t like him at all.

[NYCBlue]

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If that’s true, then the decision was made under duress - the club was probably strong armed into offering him this deal in order to keep him, which is not exactly in line with having a plan.

Strong armed? By who? The club reacted to the situation and made a decision. It happens. You can't just make up your own rules. MM's own work at Cardiff City has increased his value and his bargaining position. He's not my first choice, but I've been impressed by what he's done so far. He seems open-minded to using younger players and to playing a bit of football if/when we can. As long as he doesn't waste a bunch of money on old, limited players who can "do a job" (as in, can only do one thing somewhat effectively) then I suppose I'm OK with a 2-year deal.

[The Hooded Claw]

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Strong armed? By who? The club reacted to the situation and made a decision. It happens. You can't just make up your own rules. MM's own work at Cardiff City has increased his value and his bargaining position. He's not my first choice, but I've been impressed by what he's done so far. He seems open-minded to using younger players and to playing a bit of football if/when we can. As long as he doesn't waste a bunch of money on old, limited players who can "do a job" (as in, can only do one thing somewhat effectively) then I suppose I'm OK with a 2-year deal.

By strong-armed, I meant that their hand was forced early due to alleged external pressures, rather than them making their own decision.

It seems that they are now saying that they were always going to have him longer term, which makes me wonder what on earth they are up to, since the initial deal was quoted as being with a view to a review at the end of the season.

I’m in the “not convinced” camp and I can’t see him being here in 2 years. Let’s see how this goes.

[Joe Gillis]

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True. It’s also quite possible that they didn’t have a plan and seeing as this has worked brilliantly - so far - it seemed like the sensible choice.
There’s also the added benefit that if another club comes in for him, then compensation will be due.
I’ll admit that I’m yet to be convinced. Let’s see how the season unfolds.

Another club coming in for McCarthy? Don't hold your breath.