We are going to finish 23rd

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Too right sacked by Christmas.

It's not only making saves that make a keeper so important it's instilling confidence in the defence like Marshall used to and commanding his area.

A keeper is the number one priority.

Marshall was the most brilliant shot-stoppers but he certainly didn't command his area. My seat is behind one of the goals and he rarely left his line on crosses and corners.

[Hilts]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Marshall was the most brilliant shot-stoppers but he certainly didn't command his area. My seat is behind one of the goals and he rarely left his line on crosses and corners.

Yeah but the defence would have had confidence of shots going in being saved.

I reckon the points swing of Marshall winning us points and Allsopp losing them is huge.

Marshall used to make some unbelievable saves. Allsopp regularly lets in shots while not absolute howlers you think he should have done better.

Allsopp was a significant reason on why we were one of the worst sides in the league last season and it looks like hes still going to be there with a defence minus Kipre.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Marshall was the most brilliant shot-stoppers but he certainly didn't command his area. My seat is behind one of the goals and he rarely left his line on crosses and corners.

He was shouting and organising, he was respected and trusted, and he calmed the defence, they were not panicking and worried as to whether he would come and take the ball or not, I dispute that he never left his line also, that's certainly not how I remember him.

When you have a good keeper, it's not always spectacular saves, because a good keeper has good angles and is rarely beaten, so sometimes you'll look back and say they had no real chances, that's because a good keeper will be in the right place at the right time narrow the angle and make it look easy, the same as a good Striker doing the opposite.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Yeah but the defence would have had confidence of shots going in being saved.

I reckon the points swing of Marshall winning us points and Allsopp losing them is huge.

Marshall used to make some unbelievable saves. Allsopp regularly lets in shots while not absolute howlers you think he should have done better.

Allsopp was a significant reason on why we were one of the worst sides in the league last season and it looks like hes still going to be there with a defence minus Kipre.

Exactly a hell of a coincidence that he was relegated two seasons in a row and almost three.

[Nobody's Rep]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Well at least the fans that went to pre seasons at home and then Portugal were supportive - apparently the Swans were booed off at half time in their game with Oxford and cheers went up when the swans keeper caught the ball - that is another level degree of entitlement

[Hilts]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Well at least the fans that went to pre seasons at home and then Portugal were supportive - apparently the Swans were booed off at half time in their game with Oxford and cheers went up when the swans keeper caught the ball - that is another level degree of entitlement

They have wanted both Martin and Cooper out. Totally deluded fan base.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Yeah but the defence would have had confidence of shots going in being saved.

I reckon the points swing of Marshall winning us points and Allsopp losing them is huge.

Marshall used to make some unbelievable saves. Allsopp regularly lets in shots while not absolute howlers you think he should have done better.

Allsopp was a significant reason on why we were one of the worst sides in the league last season and it looks like hes still going to be there with a defence minus Kipre.

My comment was specifically in response to that made about him commanding his area and you seem to agree by adding 'Yeah but....'

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

He's right though, old chum.

Know heeze knot

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Keepers and Strikers are the two most important positions on the pitch, if we had Kaba and a good keeper I would be feeling a lot more optimistic.

Keepers are not more important than centre halves, wingers or centre midfielders. That is absolute cobblers. Plenty of teams have won leagues with average keepers, nobody has won anything with a bang average core or with no goalscorers from all over the pitch.

I would be amazed if they're trying to look for a keeper over those 3.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Yeah but the defence would have had confidence of shots going in being saved.

I reckon the points swing of Marshall winning us points and Allsopp losing them is huge.

Marshall used to make some unbelievable saves. Allsopp regularly lets in shots while not absolute howlers you think he should have done better.

Allsopp was a significant reason on why we were one of the worst sides in the league last season and it looks like hes still going to be there with a defence minus Kipre.

We were the worst side in the league because we posed no threat going forwards and after a while, our defence crumbled. We couldn't score, it is not that deep. Allsop is not a very good goalkeeper but unless we address the goalscoring issues, we are stuffed. We also have to sign a centre back. It is an absolute must. I have been saying for 12 months we need some new centre mids, too. All our centre mids are incapable of playing intelligent balls, that is why we just pass the ball around looking like we've got no idea what we're doing. Even though Adams, Rino, Wintle and Ralls are all quite different they all do similar jobs and have the same fundamental limitations on the ball.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Keepers are not more important than centre halves, wingers or centre midfielders. That is absolute cobblers. Plenty of teams have won leagues with average keepers, nobody has won anything with a bang average core or with no goalscorers from all over the pitch.

I would be amazed if they're trying to look for a keeper over those 3.

Who ?

Is Man City's Keeper crap, was Man U's when they were winning everything?

It's cobblers to think teams can win the league with the worst keeper for stats in the League.

Do you think Man City would have won the title last year with Alsopp?

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

We were the worst side in the league because we posed no threat going forwards and after a while, our defence crumbled. We couldn't score, it is not that deep. Allsop is not a very good goalkeeper but unless we address the goalscoring issues, we are stuffed. We also have to sign a centre back. It is an absolute must. I have been saying for 12 months we need some new centre mids, too. All our centre mids are incapable of playing intelligent balls, that is why we just pass the ball around looking like we've got no idea what we're doing. Even though Adams, Rino, Wintle and Ralls are all quite different they all do similar jobs and have the same fundamental limitations on the ball.

Kaba addressed the goals and just kept us up, A new Kaba and a new Keeper would make the World of difference.

Do we have a new Kaba, I'm not sure it's hard to gage in friendlies but I don't think so?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Who ?

Is Man City's Keeper crap, was Man U's when they were winning everything?

It's cobblers to think teams can win the league with the worst keeper for stats in the League.

Do you think Man City would have won the title last year with Alsopp?

Yes, I do think they'd have won the league because he never has to do anything . If Man City had Emerson in net with Rinomhota in for Rodri and Simpson in for Ruben Dias, they'd struggle more.

Muric at Burnley isn't very good. Sheff Utd have Foderingham in net, he's fine at best. Luton went up with Ethan Horvath who was terrible for Forest. I also don't think there are many good keepers around, Ben Wilson was in the EFL team of the season and he looked a million miles from that in 16-17!

Having a good keeper is important but having centre mids and centre backs are so much more important. We also aren't going to be able to get a Marshall etc for nothing.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Kaba addressed the goals and just kept us up, A new Kaba and a new Keeper would make the World of difference.

Do we have a new Kaba, I'm not sure it's hard to gage in friendlies but I don't think so?

He didn't really. We still hardly scored with him in the side. We need to address the fundamental issues of why we don't score.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: We are going to finish 23rd

Yes, I do think they'd have won the league because he never has to do anything . If Man City had Emerson in net with Rinomhota in for Rodri and Simpson in for Ruben Dias, they'd struggle more.

Muric at Burnley isn't very good. Sheff Utd have Foderingham in net, he's fine at best. Luton went up with Ethan Horvath who was terrible for Forest. I also don't think there are many good keepers around, Ben Wilson was in the EFL team of the season and he looked a million miles from that in 16-17!

Having a good keeper is important but having centre mids and centre backs are so much more important. We also aren't going to be able to get a Marshall etc for nothing.

He made loads of saves and the sign of a good keeper is that they make it look like they don't have anything to do because they come out and sweep the ball when they need to and stay on their line when they need to.

You are right on that point a good keeper makes it look easy, just a like a good Striker they pass the ball into the net thirty times a season.