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  • #31
    Re: Bundesliga 2

    Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Didn't see the game last night but just watched the highlights. Hamburg top the table (for now, three games being played today) after a comprehensive 3-0 victory. Another goal and an assist for Glatzel. He now has five goals in four league and cup games this season.

    Meanwhile, Hertha are rock bottom of the league after three defeats. They haven't even scored a goal yet.
    I watched all of it, and it did nothing to change my long-held view that the Championship is a stronger league - but that may just have been because Hertha were so shockingly bad!

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    • #32
      Re: Bundesliga 2

      Originally posted by Swiss Peter View Post
      I watched all of it, and it did nothing to change my long-held view that the Championship is a stronger league - but that may just have been because Hertha were so shockingly bad!
      I think in terms of the pyramid of football, then English Football (and Welsh!) is the highest standard there is really. There can't be much in it between us and the 2. Bundesliga mind. After that I think German football does drop off a bit. It is heavily regionalised from tier 4 onwards and the results in the early stages of the German cup in the last couple of weeks suggest a bigger gulf than exists here. Quite a few 7-0, 8-1 type results

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      • #33
        Re: Bundesliga 2

        Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
        I think in terms of the pyramid of football, then English Football (and Welsh!) is the highest standard there is really. There can't be much in it between us and the 2. Bundesliga mind. After that I think German football does drop off a bit. It is heavily regionalised from tier 4 onwards and the results in the early stages of the German cup in the last couple of weeks suggest a bigger gulf than exists here. Quite a few 7-0, 8-1 type results
        are you saying the welsh pyramid is a high standard

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        • #34
          Re: Bundesliga 2

          Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
          I think in terms of the pyramid of football, then English Football (and Welsh!) is the highest standard there is really. There can't be much in it between us and the 2. Bundesliga mind. After that I think German football does drop off a bit. It is heavily regionalised from tier 4 onwards and the results in the early stages of the German cup in the last couple of weeks suggest a bigger gulf than exists here. Quite a few 7-0, 8-1 type results
          Qualification for the German FA Cup is quite odd. This from wikipedia:

          "The DFB-Pokal begins with a round of 64 teams. The 36 teams of the Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga, along with the top four finishers of the 3. Liga are automatically qualified for the tournament. Of the remaining slots 21 are given to the cup winners of the regional football associations, the Verbandspokale. The three remaining slots are given to the three regional associations with the most men's teams. They may assign the slot as they see fit but usually give it to the runner-up in the association cup."

          So you could finish 5th in the third tier but not qualify while a village team would, hence the 0-7s and 1-8s.

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          • #35
            Re: Bundesliga 2

            Germany - 2. Bundesliga league table, results, statistics, current form, ladder and standings. Display German 2. Bundesliga table and statistics.

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            • #36
              Re: Bundesliga 2

              Originally posted by poc View Post
              are you saying the welsh pyramid is a high standard
              Nah, I'm saying the English football league system includes some teams from Wales 👍

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              • #37
                Re: Bundesliga 2

                Originally posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
                Qualification for the German FA Cup is quite odd. This from wikipedia:

                "The DFB-Pokal begins with a round of 64 teams. The 36 teams of the Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga, along with the top four finishers of the 3. Liga are automatically qualified for the tournament. Of the remaining slots 21 are given to the cup winners of the regional football associations, the Verbandspokale. The three remaining slots are given to the three regional associations with the most men's teams. They may assign the slot as they see fit but usually give it to the runner-up in the association cup."

                So you could finish 5th in the third tier but not qualify while a village team would, hence the 0-7s and 1-8s.
                Ah that is interesting. I had actually noticed before that not everyone in the 3rd tier qualified, which I always found strange but just assumed the other teams were from the regionaliga but had never pondered why.

                That is a good explanation for the heavy defeats, cheers

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                • #38
                  Re: Bundesliga 2

                  Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                  Ah that is interesting. I had actually noticed before that not everyone in the 3rd tier qualified, which I always found strange but just assumed the other teams were from the regionaliga but had never pondered why.

                  That is a good explanation for the heavy defeats, cheers
                  Yes, interesting. Probably gives a bit more opportunity to really small teams than the FA Cup system, even it does mean that the 'team down the road' might be in line for a heavy hammering!

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                  • #39
                    Re: Bundesliga 2

                    Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                    Watching HSV win away against Hannover tonight I'm going to go early and say they will walk the title this year.

                    Hertha starting to re-awaken with a 5-0 against Greuther Furth. Dardai's youngest offspring starring.

                    Schalke 04 3rd from bottom after losing at home to Holstein Kiel in the Friday night match.

                    Fascinating stuff, if you like this sort of thing 🤣🤣

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                    • #40
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                      Not many small clubs in Germany’s second tier this season and plenty of relatively big ones. It’s interesting (or at least I think so…) to compare this season’s top Bundesliga 2 attendances so far for each of their biggest clubs with the top Championship attendances for each of our division’s biggest clubs. The top twenty would look like this:

                      61,800 – Schalke
                      57,000 – Hamburg
                      49,000 – Hannover
                      44,400 – Sunderland
                      44,000 – Kaiserslautern
                      40,400 – Dusseldorf
                      40,100 – Hertha Berlin
                      36,400 – Leeds
                      33,000 – Karlsruhe
                      31,800 – Leicester
                      30,400 – Southampton
                      30,000 – Nuremburg
                      29,600 – Ipswich
                      29,500 – St Pauli
                      29,400 – Middlesbrough
                      29,000 – Hansa Rostock
                      28,500 – Sheffield Wednesday
                      28.300 – Magdeburg
                      26,200 – Norwich
                      25,700 – Coventry

                      Eleven German clubs and nine English clubs would make the top twenty, with German sides filling seven of the top ten places.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Bundesliga 2

                        Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
                        Not many small clubs in Germany’s second tier this season and plenty of relatively big ones. It’s interesting (or at least I think so…) to compare this season’s top Bundesliga 2 attendances so far for each of their biggest clubs with the top Championship attendances for each of our division’s biggest clubs. The top twenty would look like this:

                        61,800 – Schalke
                        57,000 – Hamburg
                        49,000 – Hannover
                        44,400 – Sunderland
                        44,000 – Kaiserslautern
                        40,400 – Dusseldorf
                        40,100 – Hertha Berlin
                        36,400 – Leeds
                        33,000 – Karlsruhe
                        31,800 – Leicester
                        30,400 – Southampton
                        30,000 – Nuremburg
                        29,600 – Ipswich
                        29,500 – St Pauli
                        29,400 – Middlesbrough
                        29,000 – Hansa Rostock
                        28,500 – Sheffield Wednesday
                        28.300 – Magdeburg
                        26,200 – Norwich
                        25,700 – Coventry

                        Eleven German clubs and nine English clubs would make the top twenty, with German sides filling seven of the top ten places.
                        Last season Sunderland might be the only ones in the top 10 I'm guessing

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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by Harry Lime View Post
                          Last season Sunderland might be the only ones in the top 10 I'm guessing
                          Schalke and Hertha were relegated last season, so they wouldn't be in the top ten.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Bundesliga 2

                            Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
                            Schalke and Hertha were relegated last season, so they wouldn't be in the top ten.
                            Yes but I'm presuming Nuremberg and St Pauli attendances would have been higher than those of Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton

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                            • #44
                              Re: Bundesliga 2

                              Originally posted by Harry Lime View Post
                              Yes but I'm presuming Nuremberg and St Pauli attendances would have been higher than those of Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton
                              Based on last season's average attendances, Sunderland (3rd), Sheffield Utd (8th), Norwich (9th) and Middlesbrough (10th), would all have made the combined top ten.

                              Bear in mind the figures I quoted are merely the biggest attendances so far for each of the clubs, not their overall average. It'll be interesting to see how it works out over the season, especially if some of the bigger clubs in the German second tier struggle. But there's no doubting there are some big clubs in that division this season.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Bundesliga 2

                                Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
                                Based on last season's average attendances, Sunderland (3rd), Sheffield Utd (8th), Norwich (9th) and Middlesbrough (10th), would all have made the combined top ten.

                                Bear in mind the figures I quoted are merely the biggest attendances so far for each of the clubs, not their overall average. It'll be interesting to see how it works out over the season, especially if some of the bigger clubs in the German second tier struggle. But there's no doubting there are some big clubs in that division this season.
                                Ah ok I thought they were average attendances. Didn't read thoroughly

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