Bundesliga 2

[Swiss Peter]

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Didn't see the game last night but just watched the highlights. Hamburg top the table (for now, three games being played today) after a comprehensive 3-0 victory. Another goal and an assist for Glatzel. He now has five goals in four league and cup games this season.

Meanwhile, Hertha are rock bottom of the league after three defeats. They haven't even scored a goal yet.

I watched all of it, and it did nothing to change my long-held view that the Championship is a stronger league - but that may just have been because Hertha were so shockingly bad!

[JamesWales]

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I watched all of it, and it did nothing to change my long-held view that the Championship is a stronger league - but that may just have been because Hertha were so shockingly bad!

I think in terms of the pyramid of football, then English Football (and Welsh!) is the highest standard there is really. There can't be much in it between us and the 2. Bundesliga mind. After that I think German football does drop off a bit. It is heavily regionalised from tier 4 onwards and the results in the early stages of the German cup in the last couple of weeks suggest a bigger gulf than exists here. Quite a few 7-0, 8-1 type results

[poc]

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I think in terms of the pyramid of football, then English Football (and Welsh!) is the highest standard there is really. There can't be much in it between us and the 2. Bundesliga mind. After that I think German football does drop off a bit. It is heavily regionalised from tier 4 onwards and the results in the early stages of the German cup in the last couple of weeks suggest a bigger gulf than exists here. Quite a few 7-0, 8-1 type results

are you saying the welsh pyramid is a high standard

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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I think in terms of the pyramid of football, then English Football (and Welsh!) is the highest standard there is really. There can't be much in it between us and the 2. Bundesliga mind. After that I think German football does drop off a bit. It is heavily regionalised from tier 4 onwards and the results in the early stages of the German cup in the last couple of weeks suggest a bigger gulf than exists here. Quite a few 7-0, 8-1 type results

Qualification for the German FA Cup is quite odd. This from wikipedia:

"The DFB-Pokal begins with a round of 64 teams. The 36 teams of the Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga, along with the top four finishers of the 3. Liga are automatically qualified for the tournament. Of the remaining slots 21 are given to the cup winners of the regional football associations, the Verbandspokale. The three remaining slots are given to the three regional associations with the most men's teams. They may assign the slot as they see fit but usually give it to the runner-up in the association cup."

So you could finish 5th in the third tier but not qualify while a village team would, hence the 0-7s and 1-8s.

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.soccerstats.com/latest.asp?league=germany2

[JamesWales]

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are you saying the welsh pyramid is a high standard

Nah, I'm saying the English football league system includes some teams from Wales 👍

[JamesWales]

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Qualification for the German FA Cup is quite odd. This from wikipedia:

"The DFB-Pokal begins with a round of 64 teams. The 36 teams of the Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga, along with the top four finishers of the 3. Liga are automatically qualified for the tournament. Of the remaining slots 21 are given to the cup winners of the regional football associations, the Verbandspokale. The three remaining slots are given to the three regional associations with the most men's teams. They may assign the slot as they see fit but usually give it to the runner-up in the association cup."

So you could finish 5th in the third tier but not qualify while a village team would, hence the 0-7s and 1-8s.

Ah that is interesting. I had actually noticed before that not everyone in the 3rd tier qualified, which I always found strange but just assumed the other teams were from the regionaliga but had never pondered why.

That is a good explanation for the heavy defeats, cheers

[Swiss Peter]

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Ah that is interesting. I had actually noticed before that not everyone in the 3rd tier qualified, which I always found strange but just assumed the other teams were from the regionaliga but had never pondered why.

That is a good explanation for the heavy defeats, cheers

Yes, interesting. Probably gives a bit more opportunity to really small teams than the FA Cup system, even it does mean that the 'team down the road' might be in line for a heavy hammering!

[Swiss Peter]

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https://www.soccerstats.com/latest.asp?league=germany2

Watching HSV win away against Hannover tonight I'm going to go early and say they will walk the title this year.

Hertha starting to re-awaken with a 5-0 against Greuther Furth. Dardai's youngest offspring starring.

Schalke 04 3rd from bottom after losing at home to Holstein Kiel in the Friday night match.

Fascinating stuff, if you like this sort of thing 🤣🤣

[The Lone Gunman]

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Not many small clubs in Germany’s second tier this season and plenty of relatively big ones. It’s interesting (or at least I think so…) to compare this season’s top Bundesliga 2 attendances so far for each of their biggest clubs with the top Championship attendances for each of our division’s biggest clubs. The top twenty would look like this:

61,800 – Schalke
57,000 – Hamburg
49,000 – Hannover
44,400 – Sunderland
44,000 – Kaiserslautern
40,400 – Dusseldorf
40,100 – Hertha Berlin
36,400 – Leeds
33,000 – Karlsruhe
31,800 – Leicester
30,400 – Southampton
30,000 – Nuremburg
29,600 – Ipswich
29,500 – St Pauli
29,400 – Middlesbrough
29,000 – Hansa Rostock
28,500 – Sheffield Wednesday
28.300 – Magdeburg
26,200 – Norwich
25,700 – Coventry

Eleven German clubs and nine English clubs would make the top twenty, with German sides filling seven of the top ten places.

[Harry Lime]

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Not many small clubs in Germany’s second tier this season and plenty of relatively big ones. It’s interesting (or at least I think so…) to compare this season’s top Bundesliga 2 attendances so far for each of their biggest clubs with the top Championship attendances for each of our division’s biggest clubs. The top twenty would look like this:

61,800 – Schalke
57,000 – Hamburg
49,000 – Hannover
44,400 – Sunderland
44,000 – Kaiserslautern
40,400 – Dusseldorf
40,100 – Hertha Berlin
36,400 – Leeds
33,000 – Karlsruhe
31,800 – Leicester
30,400 – Southampton
30,000 – Nuremburg
29,600 – Ipswich
29,500 – St Pauli
29,400 – Middlesbrough
29,000 – Hansa Rostock
28,500 – Sheffield Wednesday
28.300 – Magdeburg
26,200 – Norwich
25,700 – Coventry

Eleven German clubs and nine English clubs would make the top twenty, with German sides filling seven of the top ten places.

Last season Sunderland might be the only ones in the top 10 I'm guessing

[The Lone Gunman]

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Last season Sunderland might be the only ones in the top 10 I'm guessing

Schalke and Hertha were relegated last season, so they wouldn't be in the top ten.

[Harry Lime]

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Schalke and Hertha were relegated last season, so they wouldn't be in the top ten.

Yes but I'm presuming Nuremberg and St Pauli attendances would have been higher than those of Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton

[The Lone Gunman]

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Yes but I'm presuming Nuremberg and St Pauli attendances would have been higher than those of Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton

Based on last season's average attendances, Sunderland (3rd), Sheffield Utd (8th), Norwich (9th) and Middlesbrough (10th), would all have made the combined top ten.

Bear in mind the figures I quoted are merely the biggest attendances so far for each of the clubs, not their overall average. It'll be interesting to see how it works out over the season, especially if some of the bigger clubs in the German second tier struggle. But there's no doubting there are some big clubs in that division this season.

[Harry Lime]

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Based on last season's average attendances, Sunderland (3rd), Sheffield Utd (8th), Norwich (9th) and Middlesbrough (10th), would all have made the combined top ten.

Bear in mind the figures I quoted are merely the biggest attendances so far for each of the clubs, not their overall average. It'll be interesting to see how it works out over the season, especially if some of the bigger clubs in the German second tier struggle. But there's no doubting there are some big clubs in that division this season.

Ah ok I thought they were average attendances. Didn't read thoroughly