2 Games

[Blooburd]

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the inevitable white knights racing in with threads like this are almost as comical as the doom sayers :popcorn:

[Tuerto]

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Warnock got results and points

It was also often exciting , with goalmouth action , penalty shouts

I didn't hear anything at all from your gang on here when warnock had us on the front foot

We needed some warnock bottle on Saturday as the manager was right , we were either playing out too slowly from the back or not getting stuck into them in midfield

I said plenty on here during the Warnock period, be my guest. And I reckon I called it right in saying that his short termism will put the club in a poor position. You were just tossing off over grown men grunting and lumping.....

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I said plenty on here during the Warnock period, be my guest. And I reckon I called it right in saying that his short termism will put the club in a poor position. You were just tossing off over grown men grunting and lumping.....

Go on then

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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the inevitable white knights racing in with threads like this are almost as comical as the doom sayers :popcorn:

I didn't get where I am today without advocating total football !

[llan bluebird]

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We got promoted because teams with better squads were trying to play "the right way" with players incapable of doing that.

As football is a copycat game, loads of clubs are trying to get the same type of players to play the same type of watered-down Pep-ball so their costs increase. We tried to do this with lower league freebies and wondered why we are crap.

The Jacks were a decade ahead of the game when they went for smaller unwanted athletes but technical footballers, now those players are en vogue.

Warnock didn't buy into this and played with pace, power and trickery up top, dogs in the middle, and a stay-at-home back four, getting the ball to those who can damage the opposition and be good at defending and attacking set plays. Its not trendy but effective.

Bulut learned that NG cannot travel with the ball, Wintle can barely pass beyond 10M's and our inside forwards need the ball without the opposition having so much time they were waiting for them in pairs.

Bulut ball with this lot will get him sacked by bonfire night. Hopefully, he recruits his type of player or adapts

[The Lone Gunman]

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Warnock didn't buy into this and played with pace, power and trickery up top, dogs in the middle, and a stay-at-home back four, getting the ball to those who can damage the opposition and be good at defending and attacking set plays. Its not trendy but effective.

Not proving so effective for him this season, is it?

[llan bluebird]

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Not proving so effective for him this season, is it?

I have no idea if his current club has the same level of resources/talent as we did.

It's about what players you have and working out how to maximise them. Trying to play a very technical system with players incapable of delivering is the quickest way to the sack.

[goats]

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To keep up a tenuous link of the thread title...

Next '2 games' (league)...

Leicester away - currently 2nd, anyone see City scabbing a point?
Sheffield Wednesday home - need a win?

Next '2 games'...

Ipswich away - currently 1st, anyone see City scabbing a point there?
Jacks home - I expect the usual shiit show for this.

Bulut needs time but it's only being realistic to say by the time we get to 10 to 12 games into the season, City could be in the shiit and in the relegation zone.

I'm a misery guts.

Lose at home to sheff weds who I def expect to struggle and I think we will be in real trouble as I can’t see us getting any points at Leicester, Ipswich or at home to the jacks….

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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We got promoted because teams with better squads were trying to play "the right way" with players incapable of doing that.

As football is a copycat game, loads of clubs are trying to get the same type of players to play the same type of watered-down Pep-ball so their costs increase. We tried to do this with lower league freebies and wondered why we are crap.

The Jacks were a decade ahead of the game when they went for smaller unwanted athletes but technical footballers, now those players are en vogue.

Warnock didn't buy into this and played with pace, power and trickery up top, dogs in the middle, and a stay-at-home back four, getting the ball to those who can damage the opposition and be good at defending and attacking set plays. Its not trendy but effective.

Bulut learned that NG cannot travel with the ball, Wintle can barely pass beyond 10M's and our inside forwards need the ball without the opposition having so much time they were waiting for them in pairs.

Bulut ball with this lot will get him sacked by bonfire night. Hopefully, he recruits his type of player or adapts

I think warnockball , with a few adaptations , is fantastic

If bulut has to be using a variation of this , given our limitations .....and it keeps us in the Championship.....I couldn't give a toss

[the other bob wilson]

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We got promoted because teams with better squads were trying to play "the right way" with players incapable of doing that.

As football is a copycat game, loads of clubs are trying to get the same type of players to play the same type of watered-down Pep-ball so their costs increase. We tried to do this with lower league freebies and wondered why we are crap.

The Jacks were a decade ahead of the game when they went for smaller unwanted athletes but technical footballers, now those players are en vogue.

Warnock didn't buy into this and played with pace, power and trickery up top, dogs in the middle, and a stay-at-home back four, getting the ball to those who can damage the opposition and be good at defending and attacking set plays. Its not trendy but effective.

Bulut learned that NG cannot travel with the ball, Wintle can barely pass beyond 10M's and our inside forwards need the ball without the opposition having so much time they were waiting for them in pairs.

Bulut ball with this lot will get him sacked by bonfire night. Hopefully, he recruits his type of player or adapts

You’re only telling half of the Warnock story there though, it was downhill all of the way after 17/18 andhis summer 2019 recruitment aimed at a continuance of his favoured style of play was fundamental in sealing our decline as a team - Warnock’s football is effective up to a point, but the fact he never stays anywhere that long generally suggests its limitations start to become apparent once the impact of his considerable man management skills start to wear off.

I don’t agree with this stuff that we’re such a poor squad, our away record has been better than what you’d expect from a team in our finishing position in the last three seasons, but, for whatever reason, we’ve become a team which is often beaten before a ball is kicked when we play at home.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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We got promoted because teams with better squads were trying to play "the right way" with players incapable of doing that.

As football is a copycat game, loads of clubs are trying to get the same type of players to play the same type of watered-down Pep-ball so their costs increase. We tried to do this with lower league freebies and wondered why we are crap.

The Jacks were a decade ahead of the game when they went for smaller unwanted athletes but technical footballers, now those players are en vogue.

Warnock didn't buy into this and played with pace, power and trickery up top, dogs in the middle, and a stay-at-home back four, getting the ball to those who can damage the opposition and be good at defending and attacking set plays. Its not trendy but effective.

Bulut learned that NG cannot travel with the ball, Wintle can barely pass beyond 10M's and our inside forwards need the ball without the opposition having so much time they were waiting for them in pairs.

Bulut ball with this lot will get him sacked by bonfire night. Hopefully, he recruits his type of player or adapts

Agree with this.

[llan bluebird]

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You’re only telling half of the Warnock story there though, it was downhill all of the way after 17/18 andhis summer 2019 recruitment aimed at a continuance of his favoured style of play was fundamental in sealing our decline as a team - Warnock’s football is effective up to a point, but the fact he never stays anywhere that long generally suggests its limitations start to become apparent once the impact of his considerable man management skills start to wear off.

I don’t agree with this stuff that we’re such a poor squad, our away record has been better than what you’d expect from a team in our finishing position in the last three seasons, but, for whatever reason, we’ve become a team which is often beaten before a ball is kicked when we play at home.

I am not defending Warnock, but highlighting that expecting Perry NG and his ilk to do the same things as Vincent Kompany or even John Stones is insane. They are not good enough, if they were they'd be in the top half of the premier league.

Warnock played championship football with championship footballers, not champions league football with championship footballers. Its doesn't have to be mindless longball, in most cases it was rope a dope counter-attacking, although when the pressure was on, it did become a bit whack it upfield, but the first third of the promotion season was excellent.

I believe if we do not get new recruits this is a 442 diamond squad capable of decent results, but inverted fullbacks looks fanciful at the moment

[The Lone Gunman]

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I am not defending Warnock, but highlighting that expecting Perry NG and his ilk to do the same things as Vincent Kompany or even John Stones is insane.

Nobody on Planet Earth expects that. Suggesting anyone does is insane.

[the other bob wilson]

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I am not defending Warnock, but highlighting that expecting Perry NG and his ilk to do the same things as Vincent Kompany or even John Stones is insane. They are not good enough, if they were they'd be in the top half of the premier league.

Warnock played championship football with championship footballers, not champions league football with championship footballers. Its doesn't have to be mindless longball, in most cases it was rope a dope counter-attacking, although when the pressure was on, it did become a bit whack it upfield, but the first third of the promotion season was excellent.

I believe if we do not get new recruits this is a 442 diamond squad capable of decent results, but inverted fullbacks looks fanciful at the moment

In the Championship. it's a question of degree - there's no one trying to play like the Barcelona of ten years ago or the Man City of today, but, because Championship sides cannot do that, it doesn't mean that the only alternative is playing like we have done for so much of our recent history.

I don't understand why every side, and I mean every side, that visits Cardiff City Stadium in a league game these days looks more comfortable in the opening stages than we do - all of them are, to varying degrees, more capable of knocking the ball around while showing an element of control than we are. In a division where plenty of sides play in a direct manner to some extent, it seems most still have the capability to pass the ball accurately - we manage to do that at times away from home, but it's the same old over the shoulder hooks and passes a yard off the ground fired at team mates in the first quarter especially of games at Cardiff.

As mentioned elsewhere, the really good football tended to stop in our promotion season once Zohore got his injury and reverted to his normal self (credit to Warnock though for, somehow, getting that golden period of just short of a year out of him though, because no one else has). Mendez-Laing dropping back from his electric early form didn't help either and, although there were still good performances along the way from time to time, i became more about things like bloody mindedness and doing well at set pieces for at least the last half of that season.

On the subject of Perry Ng, there is an area of the pitch on our right about thirty five yards from goal which you could almost mark with an x from where I would say he's as good as anyone in the division at crossing the ball. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but when he crosses from that area, I start to think, we could be in business here. I'm still struggling to see what the point of inverted full backs are, apart from it meaning that Ng gets into that position a little more, but he was doing that when we were playing with three centrebacks and, in the absence of someone capable of playing in a two to put pressure on Goutas and McGuinness, I'd witch Ng to centreback and play with a three, but Bulut's not going to do that any time soon.

[Rjk]

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In the Championship. it's a question of degree - there's no one trying to play like the Barcelona of ten years ago or the Man City of today, but, because Championship sides cannot do that, it doesn't mean that the only alternative is playing like we have done for so much of our recent history.

I don't understand why every side, and I mean every side, that visits Cardiff City Stadium in a league game these days looks more comfortable in the opening stages than we do - all of them are, to varying degrees, more capable of knocking the ball around while showing an element of control than we are. In a division where plenty of sides play in a direct manner to some extent, it seems most still have the capability to pass the ball accurately - we manage to do that at times away from home, but it's the same old over the shoulder hooks and passes a yard off the ground fired at team mates in the first quarter especially of games at Cardiff.

As mentioned elsewhere, the really good football tended to stop in our promotion season once Zohore got his injury and reverted to his normal self (credit to Warnock though for, somehow, getting that golden period of just short of a year out of him though, because no one else has). Mendez-Laing dropping back from his electric early form didn't help either and, although there were still good performances along the way from time to time, i became more about things like bloody mindedness and doing well at set pieces for at least the last half of that season.

On the subject of Perry Ng, there is an area of the pitch on our right about thirty five yards from goal which you could almost mark with an x from where I would say he's as good as anyone in the division at crossing the ball. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but when he crosses from that area, I start to think, we could be in business here. I'm still struggling to see what the point of inverted full backs are, apart from it meaning that Ng gets into that position a little more, but he was doing that when we were playing with three centrebacks and, in the absence of someone capable of playing in a two to put pressure on Goutas and McGuinness, I'd witch Ng to centreback and play with a three, but Bulut's not going to do that any time soon.

I'm not averse to a back 3, but we need genuine wingbacks to make that work, and ours don't really have the electric pace to be really effective as a wing back (O'dowda aside who would do a good job)

If we had Giles and Drameh here then that would definitely be the way to go
I think inverted fullbacks does make a lot of sense with Ng as it allows us to get him on the ball in areas where his passing can be dangerous and he has the 2 cbs behind him to cover.

He made some beautiful passes in the QPR game