Helens Law

[Its been emotional]

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My list was the most vile evil criminals???

[Its been emotional]

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They have to live next door to someone. That being the case, far better that they've been reformed, and taught how to live in society and given skills to turn their life around than been brutalized and locked up with other criminals.

People like to compare criminals to animals, so let's do that.

Say there are 2 dogs, they both bite someone. One is locked up with a dozen more vicious dogs, with no contact with the outside world for a year.
The other is trained how to interact with people and they spend a year trying to correct the dog's bad behaviour.
Which would you want to be bought by the bloke next door?

So you are saying that you would be happy having a convicted paedophile move in next door to you, with your young children or grandchildren interacting with them?

[life on mars]

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we are way to soft

[surge]

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Failure to co-operate and reveal such information is "frowned upon" by the board and could see a prisoner having requests for parole denied in the first instance, Mr Jones said.
However, he added: "What it cannot do is act as a complete block on your release.
"Ultimately if someone is no longer a risk, we must release them."

Without knowing more about the assessment of risk and what significance is given to withholding information within that assessment it's very difficult to comment. I presume the significance can vary case by case.

[MacAdder]

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So you are saying that you would be happy having a convicted paedophile move in next door to you, with your young children or grandchildren interacting with them?

I think we can guess the answer to that one :thumbup:

That is the question that should be posed to these legal people calling the shots.
Whatever their response, we all know of course it would never happen.

[Rjk]

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I think we can guess the answer to that one :thumbup:

That is the question that should be posed to these legal people calling the shots.
Whatever their response, we all know of course it would never happen.

Everyone who gets released from prison is going to live next door to someone, would you rather they were coming out of a system that had tried to integrate them into society, or a system that had brutalised them?

[Its been emotional]

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Rjk you have not answered the question just swerved it.......
Would you be happy having a convicted paedophile move in next door to you?

[MacAdder]

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Everyone who gets released from prison is going to live next door to someone, would you rather they were coming out of a system that had tried to integrate them into society, or a system that had brutalised them?

Perhaps you should respond to "It's been emotional" s direct question not me?

[Rjk]

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Rjk you have not answered the question just swerved it.......
Would you be happy having a convicted paedophile move in next door to you?

You didn't answer my question either.

[Its been emotional]

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So you wouldn't like it then?

[Croesy Blue]

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So you wouldn't like it then?

No one would like it

[surge]

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So you are saying that you would be happy having a convicted paedophile move in next door to you, with your young children or grandchildren interacting with them?

Can't imagine anyone throwing a party to celebrate, but as long as the assessment of risk has been done sufficiently well and appropriate procedures following release are put in place then what's the issue?

There isn't really a known alternative in a decent society. If you believe that those two elements are sufficiently flawed for there still to be high levels of concern then surely we should be talking about that part of the system rather than the environment of the prison they've come from?

[William Treseder]

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We’ve gone off tangent a bit here. Helens law was introduced, to ensure convicted murderers who refuse to confess to authorities or the victims family what they did with body, will never be released from jail. This report clearly explains that the law has loopholes.

[surge]

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[Rjk]

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Rjk you have not answered the question just swerved it.......
Would you be happy having a convicted paedophile move in next door to you?

OK to answer the question, I would prefer not to live next door to a convicted paedophile, or indeed anyone convicted of a serious and horrible crime.
However, if I had to choose between a former prisoner who went to a prison system that tries to reform and rehabilitate them, or one from a prison system that brutalises and further isolates from society then I would choose the former.