Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

[Hilts]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

I don't drive in Cardiff often but wanted to go to Ikea and thought I'd see what it's like driving through constant 20mph zones as far as Upper Boat, so went through Canton, Radyr and Taffs Well, before hitting the A470.

I encountered one car going through Radyr at around 17 mph. If someone doing 27 in a 30 zone is a tad frustrating, 17 in a 20 zone is infinitely worse.

After a while, because I was driving so slowly, my mind was wandering as I didn't feel I needed as much concentration on the road. I started looking at other things as I was driving, something I wouldn't really do at 30. Will driving more slowly cause drivers to lose concentration? I wonder.

At one point I had a slight battle with 2 cyclists, both of which were doing roughly the same speed as me, but out of habit, I wanted to get past them. They had a small cycle lane, so it wasn't as if I was trying to overtake on the other side of the road, but seeing them overtake me at times was more than a bit disconcerting. Drivers will have to be more vigilant of cyclists going faster on the nearside.

I also found that it felt more exhausting trying to stick to 20mph going along long sections of road.

I might be wrong, but I fear this new 20mph limit will cause more accidents as drivers, pedestrians and cyclists get used to it. It'll make some drivers more impatient and make more risks in a bid to get somewhere. It'll mean more cars on our roads as it'll take everyone longer to get somewhere.

Ultimately a car is something that can kill you.

Driving a car should be a real responsibility.

Impatience at 27 mph , looking at other things at 20 battling with cyclists.

Not good.

If you went to say the police and asked them to put this through as an argument I think they are far more likely to take you off the road. 🤣🤣🤣

Saying that I see all the points you make being something plenty of others will do. Its really just bad driving though.

[Des Parrot]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

I do object to artery roads being lowered apart the parts that pass by schools, care homes and other higher risk areas.
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They tried this where I lived in Poland (30kmh) and it became far more dangerous, those who kept to the previous speed limit continued to comply but it noticeably led to a lot more overtaking, especially on zebra crossings. They had to add large speed bumps in as a result. In my 2 mile journey to work, I had to go over 8 bumps each way.

[Hilts]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

They tried this where I lived in Poland (30kmh) and it became far more dangerous, those who kept to the previous speed limit continued to comply but it noticeably led to a lot more overtaking, especially on zebra crossings. They had to add large speed bumps in as a result. In my 2 mile journey to work, I had to go over 8 bumps each way.

Ive seen plenty of overtaking in 20s already. Seriously dangerous. It should be backed up by average speed cameras.

The old road from Treharris to Merthyr is virtually all covered by cameras. Everyone has to stick to the limit.

Without it we are going to see seriously poor and dangerous driving by a significant minority.

[life on mars]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

Living in North Cardiff I have come to accept its use sadly it creates other behaviours when folk get onto a larger stretch of road they immediately push onto higher speeds .

There's a lot written about its benefit to the environment and road casualties but no real impact proof.

Reduced speeds can cause excessive engine idling which in my humble view creates as much harmful chemicals, gases and particle pollution, I think the 50mph Newport limit is barmy .

20 mph through heavily built up areas like Ely is a good thing for the elderly, disabled and children .

Sadly a lot of road causilties are in deprived areas according to one report I read, suggesting care for others is not always a number one priority for some ?

[Hilts]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

Sadly a lot of road causilties are in deprived areas according to one report I read, suggesting care for others is not always a number one priority for some ?

I think thats a fair comment. Care for others not being the no.1 priority. So many impatient , reckless and bad drivers on the road.

Ill be out today and I guarantee I will see more than 1 tw@t with a mobile to their ear.

[Rjk]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

Living in North Cardiff I have come to accept its use sadly it creates other behaviours when folk get onto a larger stretch of road they immediately push onto higher speeds .

There's a lot written about its benefit to the environment and road casualties but no real impact proof.

Reduced speeds can cause excessive engine idling which in my humble view creates as much harmful chemicals, gases and particle pollution, I think the 50mph Newport limit is barmy .

20 mph through heavily built up areas like Ely is a good thing for the elderly, disabled and children .

Sadly a lot of road causilties are in deprived areas according to one report I read, suggesting care for others is not always a number one priority for some ?

why on your view does reduced speed Create harmful chemicals and particles?

[LeningradCowboy]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

pretty much the same as here, main through roads were not 20, residential areas were

It won't be like that here in a few weeks though.

[Father Dougal]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

I don't drive in Cardiff often but wanted to go to Ikea and thought I'd see what it's like driving through constant 20mph zones as far as Upper Boat, so went through Canton, Radyr and Taffs Well, before hitting the A470.

I encountered one car going through Radyr at around 17 mph. If someone doing 27 in a 30 zone is a tad frustrating, 17 in a 20 zone is infinitely worse.

After a while, because I was driving so slowly, my mind was wandering as I didn't feel I needed as much concentration on the road. I started looking at other things as I was driving, something I wouldn't really do at 30. Will driving more slowly cause drivers to lose concentration? I wonder.

At one point I had a slight battle with 2 cyclists, both of which were doing roughly the same speed as me, but out of habit, I wanted to get past them. They had a small cycle lane, so it wasn't as if I was trying to overtake on the other side of the road, but seeing them overtake me at times was more than a bit disconcerting. Drivers will have to be more vigilant of cyclists going faster on the nearside.

I also found that it felt more exhausting trying to stick to 20mph going along long sections of road.

I might be wrong, but I fear this new 20mph limit will cause more accidents as drivers, pedestrians and cyclists get used to it. It'll make some drivers more impatient and make more risks in a bid to get somewhere. It'll mean more cars on our roads as it'll take everyone longer to get somewhere.

What did your mind start to wander about?

Whether we had more corners between 1973 and 1977 in the opening games than we had between 2019 and 2023?

[Rjk]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

It won't be like that here in a few weeks though.

yes it will you mentalist

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

What did your mind start to wander about?

Whether we had more corners between 1973 and 1977 in the opening games than we had between 2019 and 2023?

No. That's for the laptop on the dashboard.

[splott parker]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

I don't see a problem with 20mph in estate roads, or around schools.
But Newport Road? other "artery" roads? Stupid.

Newport Rd, Cowbridge Rd, Manor Way, Western Avenue, Llantrisant Rd are 30mph aren’t they?

[LeningradCowboy]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

yes it will you mentalist

The only roads in Cardiff proposed by the council to stay at 30 mph are Manor Way, North Road, Eastern Avenue and Western Avenue at the Gabalfa roundabout, Llantrisant Road, Cowbridge Road, and Newport Road. Everywhere else will be 20 mph.

[Cleve van Leef]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

Living in North Cardiff I have come to accept its use sadly it creates other behaviours when folk get onto a larger stretch of road they immediately push onto higher speeds .

There's a lot written about its benefit to the environment and road casualties but no real impact proof.

Reduced speeds can cause excessive engine idling which in my humble view creates as much harmful chemicals, gases and particle pollution, I think the 50mph Newport limit is barmy .

20 mph through heavily built up areas like Ely is a good thing for the elderly, disabled and children .

Sadly a lot of road causilties are in deprived areas according to one report I read, suggesting care for others is not always a number one priority for some ?

As regard the 50 mph at Malpas you should go through Port Talbot, 50 mph there and signs along the route stating “Air Pollution Kills”, they obviously have discounted the Steel Works!

[Rjk]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

The only roads in Cardiff proposed by the council to stay at 30 mph are Manor Way, North Road, Eastern Avenue and Western Avenue at the Gabalfa roundabout, Llantrisant Road, Cowbridge Road, and Newport Road. Everywhere else will be 20 mph.

so most of the main routes aren't affected

[The Bloop]

Re: Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit

so most of the main routes aren't affected

They've all had their limits reduced to 30 over the years to be fair. Not affected by the 20 limit, but as Cardiff has expanded so have the 30 limits.