Wales HS2 funding Petition

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they are not OBLIGED to give Wales it's fair share of the money, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't decide to, hence the petition.

Probably because they know it will be wasted

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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they are not OBLIGED to give Wales it's fair share of the money, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't decide to, hence the petition.

Let's not forget Westminster's refusal for the Crown Estate in Wales to be devolved, depriving us of extra funding, but some would rather Westminster get everything and Wales be totally ruled by England.

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Let's not forget Westminster's refusal for the Crown Estate in Wales to be devolved, depriving us of extra funding, but some would rather Westminster get everything and Wales be totally ruled by England.

How would Wales generate its own income if devolved, I mean tourism is a good start but Drakeford has not exactly been generous in that particular industry?

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Let's not forget Westminster's refusal for the Crown Estate in Wales to be devolved, depriving us of extra funding, but some would rather Westminster get everything and Wales be totally ruled by England.

If the current tory lot are booted out , we get a decent moderate government and a vote to return power to Westminster is brought forward then I think I would prefer that than the shambles we have at the moment

I voted for the assembly but I wouldn't vote for it again I think they are all an embarrassment, right across the parties

There's a handful of representatives there that have had any shape on them but no more than that

Rodri Morgan ? Jesus christ , absolutely hopeless

Carwyn Jones had a bit of charisma but drakeford and the rest of the Tories and Plaid?

Adam Price ? Eluned Morgan ?

Hopeless

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As usual the tories on here win gold in mental gymnastics.

A chance to get £5 billion to improve transport in Wales 'nah it'd be wasted'.

They then whinge wondering why public transport is bad.

where is this £5bn figure come from?

you do realise that the funding for HS2 was to be borrowed and paid back over 50 years. You're talking about £100m per annum, not £5bn in one go.

and transport is a devolved matter.

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Wales does not to very well all things considered - we get hardly any infrastructure spending compared to parts of England.

and we do well compared to other parts..

the Severn bridge wasn't Barnett funded as it was completed a long time before the Barnett formula was introduced.

yes, but it was the same pot back then, so you're talking semantics.

the second Severn crossing wasn't either, it was privately funded with the operators then allowed to make a massive profit from the tolls to pay it off.

no one made massive profits, and if I remember correctly, the tolls were paid coming into Wales, so it was money coming from England to Wales.

basically the people of Wales have ended up paying for it.

any evidence that only the people of Wales paid thetolls?

an awful decision which I think should be investigated as it represented such poor value for the taxpayer, I'm sure there was some skulduggery going on there.

earlier you said it was privately funded, now you're saying it was poor value for the taxpayer. make your mind up.

Cardiff bay barrage was built more than 20 years ago for about £200 million - that doesn't seem like a good reason for Wales to forgo billions of infrastructure spending today.

but no one was complaining back then about Barnett consequences etc etc...

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Let's not forget Westminster's refusal for the Crown Estate in Wales to be devolved, depriving us of extra funding, but some would rather Westminster get everything and Wales be totally ruled by England.

why would the crown estate be devolved? There is no legal mechanism since the Crowns legal persona represents England and Wales, in the same way it represents Scotland too.

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....which is why there's a petition

So nothing to do with Barnett, but all to do with the incompetence of Welsh Labour.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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How would Wales generate its own income if devolved, I mean tourism is a good start but Drakeford has not exactly been generous in that particular industry?

The Crown estate in Scotland is devolved, meaning the profit it makes stays in Scotland. Ours heads back to England.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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why would the crown estate be devolved? There is no legal mechanism since the Crowns legal persona represents England and Wales, in the same way it represents Scotland too.

https://www.crownestatescotland.com/...ey-information it was devolved a few years ago, so Scottish profit stays in Scotland

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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If the current tory lot are booted out , we get a decent moderate government and a vote to return power to Westminster is brought forward then I think I would prefer that than the shambles we have at the moment

I voted for the assembly but I wouldn't vote for it again I think they are all an embarrassment, right across the parties

There's a handful of representatives there that have had any shape on them but no more than that

Rodri Morgan ? Jesus christ , absolutely hopeless

Carwyn Jones had a bit of charisma but drakeford and the rest of the Tories and Plaid?

Adam Price ? Eluned Morgan ?

Hopeless

All of those care more about Wales than anyone in Westminster, which is also full of useless cretins.

I'd rather Wales decide what is best for Wales rather than another country, whose first interest is always themselves.

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Isn’t true that as soon as the proposed funding make up was on the table for debate that the WAG should have been much stronger about not allowing the Westminster bandits to get away with defrauding the citizens of Wales.

Let’s have the truth on the record and on the table so that we can see which one of the incompetent individuals is responsible for this almighty fk up.

Now there is no chance of getting any of that funding returned because ‘they’ have already earmarked it for spending elsewhere and it’s not in Wales. North or South

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All of those care more about Wales than anyone in Westminster, which is also full of useless cretins.

I'd rather Wales decide what is best for Wales rather than another country, whose first interest is always themselves.

.like 20mph, longest NHS waiting lists, worst road infrastructure, not spending £millions given to them, alienating 80% of it's population ? Decisions like that ?

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All of those care more about Wales than anyone in Westminster, which is also full of useless cretins.

I'd rather Wales decide what is best for Wales rather than another country, whose first interest is always themselves.

I don't think singing the national anthem before a rugby game makes rhodri morgan any more suitable to run Wales than anyone else

If the people of Wales were given the chance to vote on the assembly again then I would use my vote to go back to what we had initially .....some devolved powers

I would be more than happy with a UK labour or liberal government appointment an English MP to oversee Wales , its wether or not they do a good job that matters

I am sure Adam Price is a decent bloke and cares about Wales but he's better off rambling up and down the hills with Derek Brockway than running a country

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I don't think singing the national anthem before a rugby game makes rhodri morgan any more suitable to run Wales than anyone else

If the people of Wales were given the chance to vote on the assembly again then I would use my vote to go back to what we had initially .....some devolved powers

I would be more than happy with a UK labour or liberal government appointment an English MP to oversee Wales , its wether or not they do a good job that matters

I am sure Adam Price is a decent bloke and cares about Wales but he's better off rambling up and down the hills with Derek Brockway than running a country

How often does the UK get a Labour or Liberal government? Not often. England is largely a Tory voting country.

Thankfully you won't get your wish. There is no high level of public opinion wanting rid of the Welsh Government. In the last opinion poll, there was as much opinion to give the Welsh Government more powers.