FA Cup weekend fixtures

[Moodybluebird]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

How long will this playing out from the back nonsense continue, unless you're Man City ?

[City123]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

17 year old Miley on for Newcastle having also played in the Champions League

Yet in recent years our managers been scared of playing 20 and 21 year olds "too soon"

[City123]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

How long will this playing out from the back nonsense continue, unless you're Man City ?

No idea why he's tried cutting inside against a top Premier League attacker

Newcastle's side cost upwards of £150m and are a good pressing side even by Premier League standards, you need to be much cleverer than Sunderland have been today

[the other bob wilson]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

17 year old Miley on for Newcastle having also played in the Champions League

Yet in recent years our managers been scared of playing 20 and 21 year olds "too soon"

:xmasthumbup:

[splott parker]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

How long will this playing out from the back nonsense continue, unless you're Man City ?

It’s been debated on here no end of times, some think that we have to persevere regardless of its drawbacks because it’s the modern way and anything else in dinosaur like. It needs to be perfected to the nth degree on the training pitches before teams such as us introduce it constantly on a match day. Accidents waiting to happen, even in our division, attempting it against top Premier League sides is utter suicide.

[Maurice Swan]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

:xmasthumbup:

17 year old Miley on for Newcastle having also played in the Champions League

Yet in recent years our managers been scared of playing 20 and 21 year olds "too soon"

Been saying this for ages.....as one who is old enough to remember when we DID play them 16-17-18 years of age.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

How long will this playing out from the back nonsense continue, unless you're Man City ?

It's not the playing out from the back that's the problem, as long as defenders know their limitations or potential problems. Newcastle's front men are far quicker in thought and foot than anything in the Championship, so they should know they won't have any time to dwell on the ball. When they can get through the advanced forward line they have a bit more room in midfield.

Individual error, not a problem with playing out from the back.

[splott parker]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

It's not the playing out from the back that's the problem, as long as defenders know their limitations or potential problems. Newcastle's front men are far quicker in thought and foot than anything in the Championship, so they should know they won't have any time to dwell on the ball. When they can get through the advanced forward line they have a bit more room in midfield.

Individual error, not a problem with playing out from the back.

It’s a massive problem when you haven’t got the personnel to carry out the tactic.

[Moodybluebird]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

It’s a massive problem when you haven’t got the personnel to carry out the tactic.

Exactly. The equivalent of continually playing high balls up to a 5ft 7in centre forward up against a dominant 6ft 4in centre half.

[City123]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

Been saying this for ages.....as one who is old enough to remember when we DID play them 16-17-18 years of age.

It's not even that long ago that we played youngsters. Aaron Ramsey is the obvious one who played at 16/17, but Cameron Jerome was our starting striker at what, 18? Joe Ledley broke through at 17, so did Chris Gunter and Adam Matthews, James Collins and Darcy Blake broke in as 18 year olds. Even under Mackay younger players like Ben Nugent and Declan John got opportunities. It seems in recent years we've employed "pragmatic" managers with little to no interest in developing players which ends with us loading up on crap journeymen we can't shift

What's baffling is that it's not like our age group sides are uniquely crap, they're actually generally decent and we've seen players poached by big clubs. Swansea, a side who we've generally gotten the better of in age group levels over recent years, played a 17 year old at Boro recently and he did well. I find it hard to believe that he's far better than every 17 year old at Cardiff

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

It’s a massive problem when you haven’t got the personnel to carry out the tactic.

If he hits it first time into midfield towards a teammate, no problems. He didn't. He made the mistake. If it was a tactical issue, he'd be making the same mistake often.

[City123]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

If he hits it first time into midfield towards a teammate, no problems. He didn't. He made the mistake. If it was a tactical issue, he'd be making the same mistake often.

They are consistently giving the ball away, at a certain point you need to change things or at least mix things up. It's far too easy for Newcastle.

[Moodybluebird]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

It's not even that long ago that we played youngsters. Aaron Ramsey is the obvious one who played at 16/17, but Cameron Jerome was our starting striker at what, 18? Joe Ledley broke through at 17, so did Chris Gunter and Adam Matthews, James Collins and Darcy Blake broke in as 18 year olds. Even under Mackay younger players like Ben Nugent and Declan John got opportunities. It seems in recent years we've employed "pragmatic" managers with little to no interest in developing players which ends with us loading up on crap journeymen we can't shift

What's baffling is that it's not like our age group sides are uniquely crap, they're actually generally decent and we've seen players poached by big clubs. Swansea, a side who we've generally gotten the better of in age group levels over recent years, played a 17 year old at Boro recently and he did well. I find it hard to believe that he's far better than every 17 year old at Cardiff

When managers can nowadays get sacked after a handful of poor results is it any wonder that many of them have become risk averse and unwilling to put their faith in kids.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

To be fair, people only notice when playing out from the back goes wrong. However, it’s all about risk and reward - if playing out from the back costs you four goals a season, you have to score five or six from playing it to make it worthwhile. That’s on for the top clubs, but, as you go down the divisions, the chances are that the mistakes will increase and the creativity will not be there to make the plan work, so managers need to be reslistic - City haven’t had a team to play out from the back successfully in recent years, in fact I wonder if they ever have.

[Michael Morris]

Re: FA Cup weekend / Sunderland Newcastle

FT: Maidstone 1 - 0 Stevenage

Well done the non league side. Into the 4th rd for the first time.

Wins also for Leicester, Ipswich and Coventry.