Scottish Independence

[life on mars]

Re: Scottish Independence

WWhy the zap. He's not catching me out is he? I already said I don't know the answers, I'm just trying to see what other peoples opinions are on the whole question.

Yes It was a question and I just answered as I see it , as you point it out you simply asked for a view or opinion .

No zapping from me leave I leave that to the clever super heroes of life .

[Pilkers]

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Some people just don’t like Britain, Nation States and what they stand for.

Some nation states are better configurated than others, couldn't think of a worse example than ours here in the UK tbh.

[Wash DC Blue]

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Some nation states are better configurated than others, couldn't think of a worse example than ours here in the UK tbh.

Really?
Not even South Sudan?

[xsnaggle]

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Really?
Not even South Sudan?

I'll cover South Sudan and raise you Yemen.

[Wash DC Blue]

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I'll cover South Sudan and raise you Yemen.

As I said, some people just hate The UK.

[jon1959]

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Yes It was a question and I just answered as I see it , as you point it out you simply asked for a view or opinion .

No zapping from me leave I leave that to the clever super heroes of life .

But does your opinion extend to thinking that Hans from Munich should have had a vote on Brexit if Dennis from Bournemouth is due a vote on Scottish Independence - as you think is only right and proper.

And if not, why not?

[jon1959]

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WWhy the zap. He's not catching me out is he? I already said I don't know the answers, I'm just trying to see what other peoples opinions are on the whole question.

Lardy was replying to LOM not you. LOM thinks everyone in the UK should have a right to vote on Scottish independence. Because everyone in the UK is part of the current union and will be affected by the outcome. As Lardy points out using that argument or logic every citizen of the EU should have had a vote on Brexit. Not something LOM would support. Nor me.

[jon1959]

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On a personal level I sincerely hope that if there is to be another referendum, the result is the same as the last one.

I have no particular affinity for the Scots but I would hate to see the break up of the Union.

The SNP seems to attract some of the most loathsome creatures on the planet. OK slightly OTT, but I really detest Ian Blackford, Alex Salmond and Mrs Krankie herself and hope that their plans for independence go up in smoke and they disappear into oblivion.

All a matter of opinion I suppose, but I think the SNP has some of the most credible, articulate and incisive politicians in the UK - and I am constantly impressed by them and depressed by how Labour and the other opposition parties in Westminster compares. Blackford wipes the floor with Starmer, and Sturgeon (despite the wriggling around the Salmond affair) is a political colossus compared to Johnson.

[Moodybluebird]

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All a matter of opinion I suppose, but I think the SNP has some of the most credible, articulate and incisive politicians in the UK - and I am constantly impressed by them and depressed by how Labour and the other opposition parties in Westminster compares. Blackford wipes the floor with Starmer, and Sturgeon (despite the wriggling around the Salmond affair) is a political colossus compared to Johnson.

Each to their own I suppose and whilst I agree that Sturgeon is a smart cookie, I find Blackford to be an annoying whinge bag. And don't get me started on Mr Smug himself. Just glad that he's now on a collision course with his old mucker. They deserve each other

[jimmyscoular]

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I've always taken some pride in the harmony that exists between the Welsh, English and Scots. What Britain has achieved in that regard gives hope for a peaceful end to all those civil wars raging around the world. It's a good model, and it has been achieved in the face of centuries of hostility. I know we sometimes have a go at each other in sports and politics, but I never felt (just to show my age) that people like Denis Law, Nobby Stiles, George Best, Jock Stein and, yes, Mick McCarthy, were ever anything other than my countrymen.

I like our union. I hope it survives.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I've always taken some pride in the harmony that exists between the Welsh, English and Scots.

I love reading a bit of sarcasm.

[jimmyscoular]

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I love reading a bit of sarcasm.

Good line. And, I suppose, part of the teasing that is always going on.

But it has been a very long time since the Scots burned Carlisle.

And that is a good thing.

[Moodybluebird]

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Good line. And, I suppose, part of the teasing that is always going on.

But it has been a very long time since the Scots burned Carlisle.

And that is a good thing.

I'm not too sure. Have you been to Carlisle recently ?

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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I'd love to see the Scots get independence and hopefully see the start of the union fall.

My biggest fear is we'd be stuck with the Westminster crew.

[life on mars]

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I'd love to see the Scots get independence and hopefully see the start of the union fall.

My biggest fear is we'd be stuck with the Westminster crew.

Getting independence carries no guarantees of success in Europe, neither is the collapse of the union , we could see a lot more wealth creation in England and Westminster if it didn'thave to fund Scotland, an interesting fact is 40 percent (£32billion) of state spending in Scotland is provided via Westminster, of which £25billion goes on pensions and social security.

They would have a huge shortfall some say 25 billion as they have big social spending commitments, if they ran independently and could only survive by hiking its taxes or reduce its social spending .

The emotion of independence versus the effect to Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland is something to that needs very careful consideration ,some may hate Westminster but there's a saying better the devil you know