Scottish Independence

[lardy]

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Is there any country that has regretted independence? Have any joined up again?

[WJ99mobile]

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Is there any country that has regretted independence? Have any joined up again?

The UK done it in a similar way through Brexit?

[not telling]

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So a contribution from someone who would have a vote...

Brexit has been a gamechanger. We are told that the only way to stay in the EU was to say no to independence. Well that worked out well, didn't it. We feel shafted.
What is also changes, to a degree, the economic argument. If Scotland were in the EU as an independent country, we would be the natural home for Financial Services and Logistics companies that are based in England but need an EU base - English speaking, good schools, same time zone - it's a no brainer. I expect that we would still lose out financially, but this narrows the gap.
What has also changed is the perception of England - right wing and narrow minded, whereas Scotland sees itself as Social Democrat and open to the world. We are on different paths, and this has become increasingly apparent since the last independence referendum.
And finally, you cannot begin to imagine just how much Boris Johnson is loathed up here.

[WJ99mobile]

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not just politicians, women are routinely judged for their appearance, where a man isn't.

I have noticed some small changes though - over the past few years on this board of there is a thread on a female sportsperson it is now probably about their sporting (or commentating) prowess, whereas only few years ago it would have been dominated by how attractive they were.


Even in the industry I work in, the men are the scruffiest bunch of kents you can imagine, whereas if a woman started to come to work as scruffily I think it would certainly alter people's perception of them.

A good example is GMTV (is it still called that?) 2 main presenters Piers Morgan (before he stropped off) and Susannah Reid - both good at what they do. Both trained journalists, yet the male looks like a ham that has been beat into a vaguely human shape with a trowel, and the female is genuinely beautiful. If Susannah Reid had Piers Morgan's face we would never have heard of her.

That's just as much as a female issue as a male one.

Women judge women so much

[lardy]

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The UK done it in a similar way through Brexit?

Brexit is nothing like a country becoming independent.

[Rjk]

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That's just as much as a female issue as a male one.

Women judge women so much

Oh absolutely, because they're also brought up in a society where they are taught women are valued for their appearance. It starts at a very young age . I think things are slowly changing though, and the younger generatons seem t have a much better awareness of it

[Rjk]

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Is there any country that has regretted independence? Have any joined up again?

I guess Texas was independent for a short while.

and you could say that the holy Roman empire collapsed into many small states, which eventually some of remerged into Germany but it's not a very good example.

[Croesy Blue]

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The UK done it in a similar way through Brexit?

You do you think there is a similarity between the two?

[lardy]

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I guess Texas was independent for a short while.

and you could say that the holy Roman empire collapsed into many small states, which eventually some of remerged into Germany but it's not a very good example.

Texas is a nice shout, although I think it left Mexico and eventually joined the US. Really though, it's not easy to find examples of nations that regret independence, even if it's very difficult and daunting.

Anguilla may be one example, as it fought to become an overseas territory of Britain after independence. Would need to read more about it though, as it seems that independence was forced upon them and not sought.

[Rjk]

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Texas is a nice shout, although I think it left Mexico and eventually joined the US. Really though, it's not easy to find examples of nations that regret independence, even if it's very difficult and daunting.

Anguilla may be one example, as it fought to become an overseas territory of Britain after independence. Would need to read more about it though, as it seems that independence was forced upon them and not sought.

there doesn't seem to be a really clean cut example. perhaps when an independent Scotland rejoins the EU?

[WJ99mobile]

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Brexit is nothing like a country becoming independent.

There's some major similarities though.

Each 'independence' is different. Is a Catalonia independence the same as a Scottish one? What about Yugoslavia.

Brexit has obvious drawbacks and also massive potential upsides. Scottish independence has obvious drawbacks again some similar upside that may or may not be realised.

To say they are entirely different is for me total rubbish. They both share the same areas of concern but with completely different outcomes and viewpoints.

[lardy]

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There's some major similarities though.

Each 'independence' is different. Is a Catalonia independence the same as a Scottish one? What about Yugoslavia.

Brexit has obvious drawbacks and also massive potential upsides. Scottish independence has obvious drawbacks again some similar upside that may or may not be realised.

To say they are entirely different is for me total rubbish. They both share the same areas of concern but with completely different outcomes and viewpoints.

The Yugoslavian independence movements led to new countries. So would the Scottish and Catalonian ones.

Brexit didn't. To say it's similar is for me total rubbish.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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The Yugoslavian independence movements led to new countries. So would the Scottish and Catalonian ones.

Brexit didn't. To say it's similar is for me total rubbish.

Montenegro parting from the more dominant Serbia in the former political entity know as the 'State Union of Serbia and Montenegro' was perhaps very slightly akin to the possible Scottish scenario.
And perhaps Kosovo ceding from Serbia as well.

[CardiffIrish2]

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Hopefully I live long enough to see an independent Scotland, reunified Ireland and an independent Wales.

F*ck and I mean F*ck the corrupt UK system with it's ludicrous first past the post, House of Lords, veneration and subsidy of the ludicrous veneration of the Royal Family.

The past year has made me join up to YesCymru. I'd love to see people in this country have some belief in ourselves that we could make a success like other small countries.

It's either independence for me or once I've sold house in a few months off to Ireland. I hate the way this government which will be in for a long time will make us nothing more than a county of England.

Still. as long as we beat the English we dont care eh.....

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Is there any country that has regretted independence? Have any joined up again?

It would be interesting to see how many people in England and Wales would migrate north of the border if Scotland becomes independent and joins the EU.