Bulut

[NinianKnight]

Re: Bulut

Today was a very pleasant surprise, but where was that attitude at Swansea and, even worse, having failed so badly in the derby, what was that on Friday?

Bulut can’t be as bad as me and others make him out to be, but ninety per cent of the last five months has been awful.

Just throwing this out there, but sometimes isn't it down to who we are playing and when? Coventry have a FA Cup semi-final at Wembley against Man United in two weeks. It would be only human to think that their players had one eye on that and our performance seemed better than it actually was?

As pointed out when it came to important games i.e Swansea we went missing.

[JumpersforGoalposts]

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Just throwing this out there, but sometimes isn't it down to who we are playing and when? Coventry have a FA Cup semi-final at Wembley against Man United in two weeks. It would be only human to think that their players had one eye on that and our performance seemed better than it actually was?

As pointed out when it came to important games i.e Swansea we went missing.

Are you seriously suggesting Kitching doesn't fancy a game in the cup against ManUre?

[splott parker]

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Are you seriously suggesting Kitching doesn't fancy a game in the cup against ManUre?

Man Utd have offered Coventry a couple of million for him…………….to be definitely in their team.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Bulut

We have only won against 3 teams in the top half of the table. Ipswich we scored 2 late goals, Preston we won against 10 men and Coventry. Bulut can't complete against good teams.

You do know that the top teams usually beat the teams below them?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Sawyers has been a good Championship player, and I like him personally.

Imagine the message it sends to players like J Colwill. "He was nearly out the door but no club came in for him, and the manager still fancies him on the bench ahead of you"

This is another reason to have someone above the manager responsible for player transfers, but that's a non starter here because we have absolutely no identity and just let manager after manager come in and re style the team so we've always got a steady flow of deadwood blocking player development.

Colwill was injured in training wasn't he ?

[jon1959]

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Colwill was injured in training wasn't he ?

Rubin was - but Joel could/should have been on the bench instead of Sawyers.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Bulut

Remember Curbishley Charlton some fans didn't think he was good enough, look how that ended!

It does seem like an odd time when many fans now want to be entertained rather than win.

David Moyes gets stick from some of the odd negative West Ham fans?

No I'm not saying Bulut is like any of those other than, he's improved the position and outlook from last season and is still getting stick from a few.

[Jimmy the Jock]

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After Ipswich I would have been pleased for him to get a 2 year deal.

After Sunderland I would have been pleased to see him go.

But a manager who can get results like today after a dreadful failure must have something. 56 points is without doubt an improvement on last season for a manager with no previous experience of the Championship and who had a transfer embargo before January.

He's rather confusing. But I like him. I'm back in the 55% - 45% keep him this evening.

Unlike some posters on here I am able to change my mind. It's not a weakness.

Bang on .

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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It does seem like an odd time when many fans now want to be entertained rather than win.

I've repeated myself enough on this, but for me it's about progress.

Positives this season:

If a game is close, we often find a way to get a result. We're ok at coming back from behind, away from home at least. We're good at winning games late on. We have been good at scoring from set pieces.

Negatives this season:

Pointless passing. Less creativity than previous seasons. Worse defensive record. Slow starts to games. Often too negative.

Some stats:

Defeats by 2 or more goals:
2019/20: 5
2020/21: 4
2021/22: 8
2022/23: 9
2023/24: 11

Wins by 2 goals or more:
2019/20: 8
2020/21: 10
2021/22: 4
2022/23: 5
2023/24: 4

This season, for me at least, has rarely ever felt like one where we might be challenging for the playoffs. Finishing in the top 6 a season after finishing 21st is pretty rare in itself, so statistically I never really thought that was on in any case.

There's no doubt there's good spirit within the squad, they battle well for each other in tight games. That's no more evident than set pieces, where a number of those goals scored have been from second balls where we've shown a bit more hunger than the opposition in their own penalty area.

However, this season has felt quite attritional at times. That battling ability has been the reason we're in the top half, not our footballing ability. Yes, we've got some duds in our squad, not all Bulut's signings have been that good, but the defensive tactics haven't helped us at all. Trying to be more defensive has seen us lose more games convincingly than we've seen in recent seasons. We had a go at Coventry on Monday and got something from it. All too often we haven't had a go and surrendered quite meekly.

If what we saw at Coventry, and earlier in the season, is Bulut's blueprint for next season, I'd be happy for him to stay. If it's going to be the attritional battling and hoping for set pieces because we haven't got a clue what to do in the final third, then he can go.

[Dembe]

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I've repeated myself enough on this, but for me it's about progress.

Positives this season:

If a game is close, we often find a way to get a result. We're ok at coming back from behind, away from home at least. We're good at winning games late on. We have been good at scoring from set pieces.

Negatives this season:

Pointless passing. Less creativity than previous seasons. Worse defensive record. Slow starts to games. Often too negative.

Some stats:

Defeats by 2 or more goals:
2019/20: 5
2020/21: 4
2021/22: 8
2022/23: 9
2023/24: 11

Wins by 2 goals or more:
2019/20: 8
2020/21: 10
2021/22: 4
2022/23: 5
2023/24: 4

This season, for me at least, has rarely ever felt like one where we might be challenging for the playoffs. Finishing in the top 6 a season after finishing 21st is pretty rare in itself, so statistically I never really thought that was on in any case.

There's no doubt there's good spirit within the squad, they battle well for each other in tight games. That's no more evident than set pieces, where a number of those goals scored have been from second balls where we've shown a bit more hunger than the opposition in their own penalty area.

However, this season has felt quite attritional at times. That battling ability has been the reason we're in the top half, not our footballing ability. Yes, we've got some duds in our squad, not all Bulut's signings have been that good, but the defensive tactics haven't helped us at all. Trying to be more defensive has seen us lose more games convincingly than we've seen in recent seasons. We had a go at Coventry on Monday and got something from it. All too often we haven't had a go and surrendered quite meekly.

If what we saw at Coventry, and earlier in the season, is Bulut's blueprint for next season, I'd be happy for him to stay. If it's going to be the attritional battling and hoping for set pieces because we haven't got a clue what to do in the final third, then he can go.

I wouldn't bother wasting your time Eric. A good post that will get the usual response by the usual posters.

For me its simple, you get to the point in life where there are more important things to devote your time to and if the football isn't giving you something in return like entertainment, excitement, getting your off your seat then I don't see why I'd give up my time.
Years ago I didn't care how we won, I just wanted to see us climb up from league 2 and didn't care how we did it, after 2 pops at the PL I don't really care if we get there again, bonus if we do but I'd rather enjoy going to games.

My daughter came for a while it was lovely to share that with her, inevitably she got bored, I gave up 2 ST and we did other things on the weekend, we still do. I have convinced her to come Saturday but I am not hopeful of entertainment. We have been awful at home.

Given the choice what would you pick on a Saturday? A day with a loved one or a day wondering if you'll score or even reach over double figures in shots attempted watching Wintle a DM play in an attacking role as the ball moves around the grass at a snails pace. They hardly make an effort, why should I?

[2b2bdoo]

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I've repeated myself enough on this, but for me it's about progress.

Positives this season:

If a game is close, we often find a way to get a result. We're ok at coming back from behind, away from home at least. We're good at winning games late on. We have been good at scoring from set pieces.

Negatives this season:

Pointless passing. Less creativity than previous seasons. Worse defensive record. Slow starts to games. Often too negative.

Some stats:

Defeats by 2 or more goals:
2019/20: 5
2020/21: 4
2021/22: 8
2022/23: 9
2023/24: 11

Wins by 2 goals or more:
2019/20: 8
2020/21: 10
2021/22: 4
2022/23: 5
2023/24: 4

This season, for me at least, has rarely ever felt like one where we might be challenging for the playoffs. Finishing in the top 6 a season after finishing 21st is pretty rare in itself, so statistically I never really thought that was on in any case.

There's no doubt there's good spirit within the squad, they battle well for each other in tight games. That's no more evident than set pieces, where a number of those goals scored have been from second balls where we've shown a bit more hunger than the opposition in their own penalty area.

However, this season has felt quite attritional at times. That battling ability has been the reason we're in the top half, not our footballing ability. Yes, we've got some duds in our squad, not all Bulut's signings have been that good, but the defensive tactics haven't helped us at all. Trying to be more defensive has seen us lose more games convincingly than we've seen in recent seasons. We had a go at Coventry on Monday and got something from it. All too often we haven't had a go and surrendered quite meekly.

If what we saw at Coventry, and earlier in the season, is Bulut's blueprint for next season, I'd be happy for him to stay. If it's going to be the attritional battling and hoping for set pieces because we haven't got a clue what to do in the final third, then he can go.

Pretty much agree with this re Bulut.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Bulut

I wouldn't bother wasting your time Eric. A good post that will get the usual response by the usual posters.

For me its simple, you get to the point in life where there are more important things to devote your time to and if the football isn't giving you something in return like entertainment, excitement, getting your off your seat then I don't see why I'd give up my time.
Years ago I didn't care how we won, I just wanted to see us climb up from league 2 and didn't care how we did it, after 2 pops at the PL I don't really care if we get there again, bonus if we do but I'd rather enjoy going to games.

My daughter came for a while it was lovely to share that with her, inevitably she got bored, I gave up 2 ST and we did other things on the weekend, we still do. I have convinced her to come Saturday but I am not hopeful of entertainment. We have been awful at home.

Given the choice what would you pick on a Saturday? A day with a loved one or a day wondering if you'll score or even reach over double figures in shots attempted watching Wintle a DM play in an attacking role as the ball moves around the grass at a snails pace. They hardly make an effort, why should I?

I can relate to a lot of that. 15 years ago getting to the Premier League seemed to be the most important thing, I wasn't really concerned how, but that we managed it, particularly when Swansea beat us to promotion. Both PL seasons were adventures, though I felt more connected with Warnock's PL side. I wouldn't say no to a return and I dare say if we did win promotion again I'd celebrate as wildly as before. I sense we'll be a mid table side for a number of seasons, nothing wrong with that. We'll finish mid table this season.

Now is the time to evaluate what is happening at the club. Let's make sure each age group are playing the same type of football. Our youngsters are comfortable in possession and with the ball at their feet, yet the game the first team plays is very different and doesn't offer easy transition. Take Swansea, their possession based game is stamped throughout the club and it's no surprise their youngsters slot into the first team more easily than ours.

Since lockdown particularly, my main reason for going to games is to meet up with friends. Only twice can I remember being wound up by a defeat (both Jacks games). 15 years ago defeats would sometimes send me into a rage. After the last few seasons it's just a shrug of the shoulders. I get more pleasure from a good performance than pinching a late win. Someone once suggested I've fallen out of love with the game, but that's not true. I rarely miss a second of any game, whether there or by stream or radio. How the club progresses is important. Maybe I've mellowed as I've got older and my interests in us have changed.

[Blooburd]

Re: Bulut

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Unlike some posters on here I am able to change my mind. It's not a weakness.

changing your mind is not a weakness. I've done the same with multiple players over the seasons.

but flipping your opinion in a u-turn after each result? yea thats a weakness of yours in my eyes. Have some control over your outlook on things that span longer than 1 game/week

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: Bulut

I was really enthusiastic about this season until we hit November.
Stupid connection I know, but as soon as the players started putting on gloves…they turned a bit shite.
Similar time to the Arsenal keeper getting time as well.

As far as Bulut goes…he has had his hands tied due to the transfer ban, has had some bad luck with injuries but has certainly not helped himself with being so rigid in formations and selections.

I would be inclined to give him another year and see what he can do in the next window.

Most of his signings have been decent I think.

[BLUEAWAY TOO]

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I would love him to succeed but I don’t like his negative tactics and he is inconsistent in terms of what he says.
Some fans are complaining that he doesn’t select the youngsters.
I cannot understand how he prefers Ralls and Wintle to Turnbull after saying that he was desperate for players during the Transfer window.