Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

[Eric the Half a Bee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68711174

[cityhammer]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68711174

I am reminded of the incident at Reading a few years ago where we were accused of racial and homophobic chanting. Headline news across all media, yet no evidence ever produced. even the SWP at the game didnt know what is what about, so I'd hold off making comment until there's actual evidence.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

No racial abuse. They were booing said player because of an incident at Farnborough a couple of seasons when he played for them and a Merthyr fan was nearly killed. There was a fight involving both sets of fans and players from Farnborough got involved. Said player was with two of his mates after the game who attacked Merthyr fans with baseball bats and one of them threw a big piece of paving slab at the head of a Merthyr fan and knocked him clean out.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

The group of supporters who allegedly shouted the abuse are extremely left wing, there is no way they would shout racial abuse.

Apparently someone shouted "you brick chucking tw@t" at the the player and thats whay they think has been misinterpreted.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

No racial abuse. They were booing said player because of an incident at Farnborough a couple of seasons when he played for them and a Merthyr fan was nearly killed. There was a fight involving both sets of fans and players from Farnborough got involved. Said player was with two of his mates after the game who attacked Merthyr fans with baseball bats and one of them threw a big piece of paving slab at the head of a Merthyr fan and knocked him clean out.

Did the player get charged over this Farnborough incident

I would hope SWP would look at wether or not this was the factor in any abuse , racial or otherwise ?

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

Things can easily get misconstrued.

I remember going to Gillingham years ago. They had an ex-Jack (name escapes me) playing for them, who also happened to be black.
He had possession of the ball close to the corner flag and the end where the City fans were housed.
The inevitable... "You Jack bastard" was directed at him. The Gillingham fans to our left were livid. No prizes for guessing what they 'thought' we were chanting.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

Did the player get charged over this Farnborough incident

I would hope SWP would look at wether or not this was the factor in any abuse , racial or otherwise ?

The player didnt, I believe his mates did along with a couple of Merthyr fans who were involved in the fight. This wasnt your average handbags outside the ground (although the original incident started inside rhe ground), its lucky someone wasnt killed. Spoke to a few people who were there, not football "lads" in the slightest, and they said it was a very scary situation.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

Having just listened to the Hungerford managers interview he's clearly a decent bloke

Two things from this are that firstly he says racial abuse has happened at Merthyr before ? Is that correct ? I havnt heard of a problem there

Secondly if the player was given the bird over a previous incident then wether or not that's acceptable was it racial abuse ?

Terry Phelan the mixed race player from Manchester City said that the worst racial abuse he ever experienced was at Cardiff City in the fa cup tie when he said he was called a black bastard the whole game

Apparently on seeing this interview cardiff fans contacted him to say it was you jack bastard he was being called after his time with Swansea city

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

Things can easily get misconstrued.

I remember going to Gillingham years ago. They had an ex-Jack (name escapes me) playing for them, who also happened to be black.
He had possession of the ball close to the corner flag and the end where the City fans were housed.
The inevitable... "You Jack bastard" was directed at him. The Gillingham fans to our left were livid. No prizes for guessing what they 'thought' we were chanting.

See below

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

The player didnt, I believe his mates did along with a couple of Merthyr fans who were involved in the fight. This wasnt your average handbags outside the ground (although the original incident started inside rhe ground), its lucky someone wasnt killed. Spoke to a few people who were there, not football "lads" in the slightest, and they said it was a very scary situation.

Verbally abusing players , giving them the bird , taunts are wether we like it or not part of the game

Racially abusing someone is understandably at the top of that list but it appears he may well have been subject to less than friendly banter rather than criminal abuse

If that's the case I would imagine this will blow over but it's not good for the reputation of Merthyr as mud sticks

I think that Hungerford manager jumped in with both feet there

[J R Hartley]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

Having just listened to the Hungerford managers interview he's clearly a decent bloke

Two things from this are that firstly he says racial abuse has happened at Merthyr before ? Is that correct ? I havnt heard of a problem there

Secondly if the player was given the bird over a previous incident then wether or not that's acceptable was it racial abuse ?

Terry Phelan the mixed race player from Manchester City said that the worst racial abuse he ever experienced was at Cardiff City in the fa cup tie when he said he was called a black bastard the whole game

Apparently on seeing this interview cardiff fans contacted him to say it was you jack bastard he was being called after his time with Swansea city

Ive not heard of any and hes been asked to qualify those comments by the club. Its not the first time theyve booed the player they were booing him at the away game too.

Whilst its undeniable there are racists in the valleys, as there are everywhere, the core support at Merthyr are a good bunch. There is quite a bit of anti-english chanting at away games so dont know if he means that.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

Verbally abusing players , giving them the bird , taunts are wether we like it or not part of the game

Racially abusing someone is understandably at the top of that list but it appears he may well have been subject to less than friendly banter rather than criminal abuse

If that's the case I would imagine this will blow over but it's not good for the reputation of Merthyr as mud sticks

I think that Hungerford manager jumped in with both feet there

Theres a local councillor from the next valley over who was stood where the racial abuse was alleged to have taken place and he said there was no racist abuse. He said hes willing to speak to the authorities about it as, like you said, mud sticks.

[JamesWales]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

This was a prominent story on BBC Wales news last night. I'm not sure what we gain from the reports, and certainly not until they investigate it a little more.

Was there any racist abuse shouted? Seems not. Is it a major story if one person shouts it? I'm not sure. It's a serious issue for the person(s)involved for sure, but national news?

We are hyper fixated on this at the moment. What's the end result? People feel that racism is worse than it is? A club and fans stuck with a reputation? How many will be interested to know that nothing actually happened? How prominent will the reports on what happened be?

[Nobody's Rep]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

Things can easily get misconstrued.

I remember going to Gillingham years ago. They had an ex-Jack (name escapes me) playing for them, who also happened to be black.
He had possession of the ball close to the corner flag and the end where the City fans were housed.
The inevitable... "You Jack bastard" was directed at him. The Gillingham fans to our left were livid. No prizes for guessing what they 'thought' we were chanting.

Happened at home once against Stoke I think when sidibe played for them

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Merthyr investigating racist remarks towards Hungerford player

This was a prominent story on BBC Wales news last night. I'm not sure what we gain from the reports, and certainly not until they investigate it a little more.

Was there any racist abuse shouted? Seems not. Is it a major story if one person shouts it? I'm not sure. It's a serious issue for the person(s)involved for sure, but national news?

We are hyper fixated on this at the moment. What's the end result? People feel that racism is worse than it is? A club and fans stuck with a reputation? How many will be interested to know that nothing actually happened? How prominent will the reports on what happened be?

I personally think that racist abuse should be dealt with very seriously

However the issue here appears to be that whilst this player got a mouthful it wasn't racially motivated

So I think that if that's the case then appropriate statements .....ie we got it wrong .....should be made

If I was a Merthyr fan I would be pissed off if my club was accused of racist behaviour that didn't happen