Rubin Has Had His Chances

[olderblue]

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Disappointingly it seems to be the way for some.
Put down your own .
Looks something special to me , the fact he has come through the ranks is a Brucey bonus .
But fill your boots .

Bang on the money, imagine if all that negativity was turned into positive support
A few years ago we used to have a clown sat near us that shouted out at Whitts on a regular basis for not tackling enough 🤷*♂️

[Mr Soul '68]

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Being the token striker or creator in modern day Cardiff teams is a tough, perhaps impossible job. A target man type striker is stuck up front by himself with no support except for the token creator sometimes and, especially under this manager, a pair of “wingers” who are told to play in a manner that most wouldn’t recognise as wing play of the sort we grew up watching. The striker barely gets a cross to feed off from open play and yet is told score us twenty goals a season.

It’s similar with the player saddled with the team’s creativity who is told it’s up to you to provide the service for our striker to score the majority of his twenty goals a season. Who has been a successful creator in City teams in the fairly recent past? Nearly twenty years ago, Jason Koumas was, but I’d argue that we were a different type of team back then - for a start we had what I’d call proper wingers and he had two strikers to work with much of the time.

Harry Wilson actually had a twenty goal a season in his team to work with, but I think his stay here has to be seen as a failure because the target was very much the top six in 20/21 and by the end of the season there were times when Mick McCarthy was leaving him on the bench - Wilson rather falls into the too good for the Championship, but not good enough for the Premier League group, but if he struggled anyway in the Championship, it was at Cardiff, why was that I wonder?

The only player in the modern era who successfully carried the weight of the teams creativity on his shoulders was Lee Tomlin for a few months during 19/20 under Neil Harris - Tomlin was the biggest single reason why we made the Play Offs that year, but before and after Harris he was a bit part player here and I would say that was because NMessts Warnock and McCarthy never trusted him.

I’m trying to give up Rubin Colwill threads in the same way others try to give up smoking, so I’ll just say that, like all players of his type who have represented modern day Cardiff City teams, he has been set a very high bar because the outlook under nearly all of our recent managers has been so defensive from open play - others who are better than Colwill have tried to clear that bar and not succeeded.

Spot on Bob! Very well and eloquently put. You echo my sentiments exactly. In the right Championship team Colwill would be an excellent player

[WJ99mobile]

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Oh great, another Colwill thread

Can we start some kind of counter?

We need a sub forum for pointless Colwill threads like this

[Mr Soul '68]

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Bang on the money, imagine if all that negativity was turned into positive support
A few years ago we used to have a clown sat near us that shouted out at Whitts on a regular basis for not tackling enough ��*♂️

It wasn't Bulut, was it ????

[Loramski]

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Disappointingly it seems to be the way for some.
Put down your own .
Looks something special to me , the fact he has come through the ranks is a Brucey bonus .
But fill your boots .

I think you're missing the point a bit. It came up last season in one of the thousand other Colwill threads that part of the issue is the youngsters get massively overhyped on here (I've been guilty of this in the past) and these type of threads are a reaction to it.

The fans always seem to be behind the youngsters at games and want them to do well, it's just a message board issue to me. There'll be a reaction when Cian Ashford finally gets a league run out too. The way he's getting talked about on here people are going to be expecting Messi.

One other quick thing about Colwill, and any other maverick player whether young or not. TOBW mentioned Tomlin earlier and he is an incredibly hard act to follow here. In that 2019-20 season he had 9 goals and 10 assists in 35 Championship games and he wasn't playing the 90 minutes for most of them. So many times I've said to my eldest about Colwill 'he's not Tomlin' but it's not fair for a number of reasons. Tomlin spoilt us all that season.

[Blooburd]

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It wasn't Bulut, was it ????

:hehe:

[Tuerto]

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I think you're missing the point a bit. It came up last season in one of the thousand other Colwill threads that part of the issue is the youngsters get massively overhyped on here (I've been guilty of this in the past) and these type of threads are a reaction to it.

The fans always seem to be behind the youngsters at games and want them to do well, it's just a message board issue to me. There'll be a reaction when Cian Ashford finally gets a league run out too. The way he's getting talked about on here people are going to be expecting Messi.

One other quick thing about Colwill, and any other maverick player whether young or not. TOBW mentioned Tomlin earlier and he is an incredibly hard act to follow here. In that 2019-20 season he had 9 goals and 10 assists in 35 Championship games and he wasn't playing the 90 minutes for most of them. So many times I've said to my eldest about Colwill 'he's not Tomlin' but it's not fair for a number of reasons. Tomlin spoilt us all that season.

This is exactly how i see it. Young players are overhyped, and maybe those who take exception to those who analyse Colwill's game in a way that doesn't fit their point of view should show some caution when making judgements over a young player who is still developing both physically and mentally, you'd have thought that they had watched enough football over the years to understand that things don't always work out the way they think they will concerning developing players. So it's them who put the pressure on by being loud and garish when a little bit of caution needs exercising.

Take a look at how emotive some of the posts are in this thread. 'Haters' 'One of our own' that's just deflection really, it's meaningless, and it doesn't address any of the issues raised about Colwill.

We have had countless threads on Colwill, but nothing of substance in my opinion. The posters who feel the need to defend him don't really give good reason as to why some aspects of his game seems a bit flawed on times, and those who are critical just pick up on the obvious things that we all sort of knew already, so there's no balance from either side, battle lines are drawn and it gets emotive.

Colwill sure does have ability. Great technique, that's certain. But in my opinion he lacks vision and composure, there have been several occasions this season where he has been in very good positions and he has fluffed his lines, snatching at the ball, pulling it wide etc. Then he produces what i think is the best cross i've seen from a city player this season (Against Blackburn-The one we didn't score from) The technique, weight, pace and where he put it was all majestic. Yet we don't have thee kinds of debates, it's either the managers fault, the formation, the players around him, or that people just hate him. Absolutely ridiculous and child like. I've no doubt all those things i've listed can and do hinder him as a player, but they aren't an excuse for his poor decision making, his poor technique at crucial times and his lack of awareness on times. That's on him, and i'll also say this, with better players comes more expectation and less tolerance, things actually become more difficult, the same way it would for us lot if we were thrown in with people who expected more from us, higher standards and no excuses. By that logic Kion etete would do better for Liverpool or Man City that he does with us because there would be a supply. As we know, that's nonsence, he'd be three seconds behind those players in thinking.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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His tricking of the Bristol City defenders before banging in that goal to win the home game this season showed what he can do

He's obviously got talent

[splott parker]

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This is exactly how i see it. Young players are overhyped, and maybe those who take exception to those who analyse Colwill's game in a way that doesn't fit their point of view should show some caution when making judgements over a young player who is still developing both physically and mentally, you'd have thought that they had watched enough football over the years to understand that things don't always work out the way they think they will concerning developing players. So it's them who put the pressure on by being loud and garish when a little bit of caution needs exercising.

Take a look at how emotive some of the posts are in this thread. 'Haters' 'One of our own' that's just deflection really, it's meaningless, and it doesn't address any of the issues raised about Colwill.

We have had countless threads on Colwill, but nothing of substance in my opinion. The posters who feel the need to defend him don't really give good reason as to why some aspects of his game seems a bit flawed on times, and those who are critical just pick up on the obvious things that we all sort of knew already, so there's no balance from either side, battle lines are drawn and it gets emotive.

Colwill sure does have ability. Great technique, that's certain. But in my opinion he lacks vision and composure, there have been several occasions this season where he has been in very good positions and he has fluffed his lines, snatching at the ball, pulling it wide etc. Then he produces what i think is the best cross i've seen from a city player this season (Against Blackburn-The one we didn't score from) The technique, weight, pace and where he put it was all majestic. Yet we don't have thee kinds of debates, it's either the managers fault, the formation, the players around him, or that people just hate him. Absolutely ridiculous and child like. I've no doubt all those things i've listed can and do hinder him as a player, but they aren't an excuse for his poor decision making, his poor technique at crucial times and his lack of awareness on times. That's on him, and i'll also say this, with better players comes more expectation and less tolerance, things actually become more difficult, the same way it would for us lot if we were thrown in with people who expected more from us, higher standards and no excuses. By that logic Kion etete would do better for Liverpool or Man City that he does with us because there would be a supply. As we know, that's nonsence, he'd be three seconds behind those players in thinking.

Was thinking all the way through reading the post that Etete was having a bit of a break from proceedings……and you had to go and spoil it at the death :hehe:

[NYCBlue]

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What does this mean?

"Average City wage is 880 euros , Rubin allegedly on half of that 446 ???"

[2b2bdoo]

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He’s probably not as good or as bad as people make out but the truth is usually somewhere in between.

Problem is people over hype him and then on messages boards people feel like they have to retaliate and be overall negative because others are overall positive (I think that’s similar to Bulut debates).

For me I’ve never thought he was as good as others said but I wished him well, he clearly has talent. I think he’s benefited working under just one manager this season, I think his overall game is now much better than it was. The lack of assists is dissapointing but as people point out we aren’t a very good attacking team in open play generally, so it’s hard to expect a player like him to do it all especially when most of the forward play seems to come out wide.

When he’s played I generally think he’s done more than most, he keen to take the ball and will always try a pass even if it’s not the easy option. Personally think he’s done more the Turnbull, maybe bother together might work although not sure Bulut would consider it.

I did say on here at the start of the season I thought he should have gone on loan to a league 2 club and to play every game and to then come back hopefully full of confidence in January or to even move up to a league 1 club. That got shot down but I still think it would have benefited him long term.

He needs to play now until the end of the season and push on.

[the other bob wilson]

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This is exactly how i see it. Young players are overhyped, and maybe those who take exception to those who analyse Colwill's game in a way that doesn't fit their point of view should show some caution when making judgements over a young player who is still developing both physically and mentally, you'd have thought that they had watched enough football over the years to understand that things don't always work out the way they think they will concerning developing players. So it's them who put the pressure on by being loud and garish when a little bit of caution needs exercising.

Take a look at how emotive some of the posts are in this thread. 'Haters' 'One of our own' that's just deflection really, it's meaningless, and it doesn't address any of the issues raised about Colwill.

We have had countless threads on Colwill, but nothing of substance in my opinion. The posters who feel the need to defend him don't really give good reason as to why some aspects of his game seems a bit flawed on times, and those who are critical just pick up on the obvious things that we all sort of knew already, so there's no balance from either side, battle lines are drawn and it gets emotive.

Colwill sure does have ability. Great technique, that's certain. But in my opinion he lacks vision and composure, there have been several occasions this season where he has been in very good positions and he has fluffed his lines, snatching at the ball, pulling it wide etc. Then he produces what i think is the best cross i've seen from a city player this season (Against Blackburn-The one we didn't score from) The technique, weight, pace and where he put it was all majestic. Yet we don't have thee kinds of debates, it's either the managers fault, the formation, the players around him, or that people just hate him. Absolutely ridiculous and child like. I've no doubt all those things i've listed can and do hinder him as a player, but they aren't an excuse for his poor decision making, his poor technique at crucial times and his lack of awareness on times. That's on him, and i'll also say this, with better players comes more expectation and less tolerance, things actually become more difficult, the same way it would for us lot if we were thrown in with people who expected more from us, higher standards and no excuses. By that logic Kion etete would do better for Liverpool or Man City that he does with us because there would be a supply. As we know, that's nonsence, he'd be three seconds behind those players in thinking.

I think.Colwill is a less composed footballer than he was two seasons ago, that suggests to me that he’s been handled poorly by his managers at the club in the intervening period.

[Tuerto]

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He’s probably not as good or as bad as people make out but the truth is usually somewhere in between.

Problem is people over hype him and then on messages boards people feel like they have to retaliate and be overall negative because others are overall positive (I think that’s similar to Bulut debates).

For me I’ve never thought he was as good as others said but I wished him well, he clearly has talent. I think he’s benefited working under just one manager this season, I think his overall game is now much better than it was. The lack of assists is dissapointing but as people point out we aren’t a very good attacking team in open play generally, so it’s hard to expect a player like him to do it all especially when most of the forward play seems to come out wide.

When he’s played I generally think he’s done more than most, he keen to take the ball and will always try a pass even if it’s not the easy option. Personally think he’s done more the Turnbull, maybe bother together might work although not sure Bulut would consider it.

I did say on here at the start of the season I thought he should have gone on loan to a league 2 club and to play every game and to then come back hopefully full of confidence in January or to even move up to a league 1 club. That got shot down but I still think it would have benefited him long term.

He needs to play now until the end of the season and push on.

The game he is playing under Bulut isn't his game. He isn't a 'Workmanlike' midfielder, closing down and pressuring opponents isn't natural to him, he's a player with the ball, without it he's limited. That's not his fault, that's his shape and height, Although he's worked really hard at it, He deserves credit.

But then some people say that we should build a team around him, bring players in to compliment his ability, let others do his running etc. That all sounds great, but for that to happen you have to be a really good player, special, and you would have had to show on a consistent basis why all of those things should apply, and wait for it, even in a team that doesn't put emphasis on front foot football, because that's the situation he's in, and he has to make the most of it. In fairness, he does try, but it rarely comes off.

I hate the constant excuses on here for players. It's lazy, and some people use it as a way of attacking the club, when what they really ought to do is just attack the club! Nobody can criticise a player when they try creative stuff and it doesn't come off, or another player isn't on their wave length. But when a player is in a good position to make something happen and they don't, or take the wrong option, they it's on them, nobody else, it's their responsibility.

Thing is, i'd bet that most Professional people at the top of their tree take responsibility for their own performance, even when things are against them, because good people find a way to succeed, there's going to be adversity, things aren't going to go a footballers way, they have to work it out themselves, that's why they're out there doing something they love and are rewarded handsomely for it. That's the level of responsibility they have, They need to find a way. And that's why me and the rest of us are posting shit on here and aren't rewarded for something that we love doing, because we just have to turn up and put half a shift in, and nobody wants to pay to watch us.

[Tuerto]

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I think.Colwill is a less composed footballer than he was two seasons ago, that suggests to me that he’s been handled poorly by his managers at the club in the intervening period.

Or he's just developed into a less composed footballer. You may be right with your suggestion, but we don't know for sure.

[olderblue]

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Or he's just developed into a less composed footballer. You may be right with your suggestion, but we don't know for sure.

I think he’s been badly coached, I don’t recall Dave Jones moaning about Jason koumas”s lack of defensive play.