Latest re-opening plans

[DubaiDai]

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But it is an election that welsh labour think they have already won as they always do, added to which he doesn't really care because once its won his is pissing off and letting someone else sort the mess out.
I think he should step down now and let whoever is going to be the new leader fight the election.

Agree entirely

[goats]

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I was wrong. More detailed dates here

BREAKING: Further details have been announced about the planned unlocking of #Wales.

The @WelshGovernment aim is to be in alert level 3 by the 17th of May.

There were too many to type in a tweet... here is everything you need to know: pic.twitter.com/TinatO6xB1

— Peter Gillibrand (@GillibrandPeter) March 31, 2021

Theme parks & beer gardens from April 26th but gyms shut until at least May 10th strikes me as strange. They'll consider indoor hospitality from May 17th to open in advance of the Spring Bank Holiday at the end of May.

Strikes me as a bit slow considering the vaccines & low case numbers, but I acknowledge that they have access to far more data and expertise than I do

It is a bit strange about gyms, he did reference that it depended how big and airy the place was a few weeks ago, some are obv very small with little air circulation. If this pandemic has highlighted anything it’s how unhealthy a nation we are, and the virus will attack the most vulnerable here. Time to try and get us all a bit healthier maybe?

[the other bob wilson]

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I would agree with you normally but anecdotal evidence suggests that he tells people what's going to happen and will not listen to any arguments, hence the comment about rule by dictat.
I mentioned before that I have spoken to 3 people who have worked for or close to him and the general consensus is that he is a nasty man. (Those words are not mine). Personally I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him., and I'm talking about the man not his politics.

It's strange how Drakeford gets so much stick on here from some and yet we barely get a peep out of them regarding the litany of blunders, u turns and cock ups made by the UK Government and their leader who won't admit to how many children he's got and who has been sacked from jobs for lying.

Let's face it, even if Drakefprd was to announce everything was going back to normal tomorrow, you'd still find something wrong with it wouldn't you.

[xsnaggle]

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It's strange how Drakeford gets so much stick on here from some and yet we barely get a peep out of them regarding the litany of blunders, u turns and cock ups made by the UK Government and their leader who won't admit to how many children he's got and who has been sacked from jobs for lying.

Let's face it, even if Drakefprd was to announce everything was going back to normal tomorrow, you'd still find something wrong with it wouldn't you.

Once again you remark about 'some people' just as I could remark that 'some people' post an awful lot of hand-wringing stories links but they are all from the Guardian, but I don't.
You constantly try to imply that I am some kind of closet conservative but I'm not. As I have stated time and again I just don't like th man and I don't like his motives. I think he is far too dogmatic and too authoritarian in his beliefs and I think his outlook and his own brand of socialism are beyond their time. If he said things were going back to normal tomorrow I'd be delighted but I'd be interested to find out who made him do it.
I agree there have been cock-ups but I hesitate with regard to the pandemic to call everything a 'U turn'. In a situation never faced before and with an 'enemy' who constantly changes there must be some policies 'made on the hoof' so to speak. And with the threat rapidly changing the response must do the same. When something gets to the point where this is clearly needed it is too easy for the leader of the opposition to get up on his/her hind legs and say we must do xyz knowing full well that it is going to happen, so that when he does he can claim that the opposition had to tell the government what needed to be done 'again' and saying that they have done a U Turn. Every change of policy is not a 'U Turn' despite some factions of the community trying to sell it as such.
And before this is put at closet support of the conservatives or knocking Labour I would point out that it would be true whatever party were in power. It's what the opposition does. But I take it all with a pinch of salt.
Maybe he doesn't actually know how many children he's got lol. Have you never ever known anyone who fathered a child that they didn't acknowledge or who didn't pay maintenance for a child or told a lie? Have you never told a lie? don't bother answering or trying to avoid any of those questions, I'm not remotely interested.

[sneggyblubird]

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It's strange how Drakeford gets so much stick on here from some and yet we barely get a peep out of them regarding the litany of blunders, u turns and cock ups made by the UK Government and their leader who won't admit to how many children he's got and who has been sacked from jobs for lying.

Let's face it, even if Drakefprd was to announce everything was going back to normal tomorrow, you'd still find something wrong with it wouldn't you.

I agree with you.Even if my mate told me he was a nasty bastard you've only got to compare him to Boris.Many have died because of that idiot but you could argue that he's a jovial chap not like that nasty bastard Drakeford who tells it more like it is.

[the other bob wilson]

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Once again you remark about 'some people' just as I could remark that 'some people' post an awful lot of hand-wringing stories links but they are all from the Guardian, but I don't.
You constantly try to imply that I am some kind of closet conservative but I'm not. As I have stated time and again I just don't like th man and I don't like his motives. I think he is far too dogmatic and too authoritarian in his beliefs and I think his outlook and his own brand of socialism are beyond their time. If he said things were going back to normal tomorrow I'd be delighted but I'd be interested to find out who made him do it.
I agree there have been cock-ups but I hesitate with regard to the pandemic to call everything a 'U turn'. In a situation never faced before and with an 'enemy' who constantly changes there must be some policies 'made on the hoof' so to speak. And with the threat rapidly changing the response must do the same. When something gets to the point where this is clearly needed it is too easy for the leader of the opposition to get up on his/her hind legs and say we must do xyz knowing full well that it is going to happen, so that when he does he can claim that the opposition had to tell the government what needed to be done 'again' and saying that they have done a U Turn. Every change of policy is not a 'U Turn' despite some factions of the community trying to sell it as such.
And before this is put at closet support of the conservatives or knocking Labour I would point out that it would be true whatever party were in power. It's what the opposition does. But I take it all with a pinch of salt.
Maybe he doesn't actually know how many children he's got lol. Have you never ever known anyone who fathered a child that they didn't acknowledge or who didn't pay maintenance for a child or told a lie? Have you never told a lie? don't bother answering or trying to avoid any of those questions, I'm not remotely interested.

You not a closet conservative at all and your comments on Drakeford and Johnson are contradictory despite you trying to make it sound like you’re only defending Johnson because he, like Drakeford, is in power - surely your attitude towards Drakeford should be the same?

[Croesy Blue]

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What could he possibly gain from this?

He's had this mad idea in his head from day 1 you won't talk him out of it.

Indoor pubs will be one of the last things to open because they're about as far from essential as you can get (especially if outdoor service is allowed anyway) and the spread inside is so much worse than it is outside. Especially when poeple have been drinking and forget about social distancing.

[Hilts]

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Dont get the rant. Outdoor hospitality opening 26th. Right decision happy days.

"When can you stand at the bar"

FFS we are in a global pandemic get a grip.

[Former Labour leader]

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You not a closet conservative at all and your comments on Drakeford and Johnson are contradictory despite you trying to make it sound like you’re only defending Johnson because he, like Drakeford, is in power - surely your attitude towards Drakeford should be the same?

Mark Drakeford may or not be a difficult man, from what I understand he can be stubborn particularly when it comes to matters of life and death over the economy. But I would much rather that than be governed by an idiot who takes holidays at the height of the pandemic and whose decision making making depends on who he is shagging at the time.

[Rjk]

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https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1377486161619394560?s=19

Wales has lowest rate in the UK for the last 2 months.
well done to those involved.

[surge]

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Welsh government strategy and evidence page: https://gov.wales/strategy-evidence-coronavirus

The eventual themes of the pandemic rules have been:

- reduce contact number and contact duration
- outdoor is safer than indoor*
- virus spreads quicker where there is projection which is why singing/shouting is bad and masks are good**
- greater compliance when there is a perception we're all in it together

*There was a really slow recognition that indoor can be made safer with good ventilation. It continues to be too slow.
** For whatever reason the initial advice was anti-masks. Was that bad science or wanting to avoid the cost?

It's perceived likely that we'll have a third wave.

Why no aggressive re-opening with vaccine roll-out?

No vaccine is perfect. Each vaccine will give different levels of protection
against severe disease; the chance of being infected (with symptoms or not)
and chance of infecting someone else if infected.

For example, if 100% of adults are offered the vaccine, covering 80% of
the population (i.e. excluding children), there is 90% uptake overall, and the
vaccine is effective for 80% of the population, then 58% of the population
of Wales will have protection. When combined with immunity from previous
infections, the total amount of protection is large, but it is not enough to
prevent further significant outbreaks in the population. If the virus is still
circulating in our communities, there is more chance of new mutant variations
in the virus emerging.

A large outbreak of coronavirus will put pressure on the NHS and other
local services.

In 2020, people in their late teens, 20s and 30s had significantly more social
contacts. As we relax restrictions and people being to mix again, there will
be more opportunities for COVID-19 to spread among these groups until they
are vaccinated. Although deaths in these groups are rare, around 25% of
hospitalisations are in under 60s, and long-COVID (post-COVID syndrome)
is a continuing concern.

https://gov.wales/coronavirus-contro...les-march-2021

[Former Labour leader]

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https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/sta...619394560?s=19

Wales has lowest rate in the UK for the last 2 months.
well done to those involved.

👍

[the other bob wilson]

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Welsh government strategy and evidence page: https://gov.wales/strategy-evidence-coronavirus

The eventual themes of the pandemic rules have been:

- reduce contact number and contact duration
- outdoor is safer than indoor*
- virus spreads quicker where there is projection which is why singing/shouting is bad and masks are good**
- greater compliance when there is a perception we're all in it together

*There was a really slow recognition that indoor can be made safer with good ventilation. It continues to be too slow.
** For whatever reason the initial advice was anti-masks. Was that bad science or wanting to avoid the cost?

It's perceived likely that we'll have a third wave.

Why no aggressive re-opening with vaccine roll-out?

Take the point about ventilation, but, as someone who didn't catch Covid through the winter, I definitely think having windows open tp provide ventilation through the colder months did me more harm than good.

[Croesy Blue]

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Take the point about ventilation, but, as someone who didn't catch Covid through the winter, I definitely think having windows open tp provide ventilation through the colder months did me more harm than good.

Ventillation is only important if you're mixing with people. If you're in your house with your immediate family I wouldn't say there is much benefit to it.

[Rjk]

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Ventillation is only important if you're mixing with people. If you're in your house with your immediate family I wouldn't say there is much benefit to it.

If you're in my house with 3 boys then there's definitely a benefit to it!