Latest re-opening plans

[Croesy Blue]

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If you're in my house with 3 boys then there's definitely a benefit to it!

[Rjk]

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Plus my girlfriend is from a hot country and would ideally like the thermostat set to between 25 and 28C

[xsnaggle]

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You not a closet conservative at all and your comments on Drakeford and Johnson are contradictory despite you trying to make it sound like you’re only defending Johnson because he, like Drakeford, is in power - surely your attitude towards Drakeford should be the same?

I'm sorry, I don't want to reduce the thread into a petty argument but you have lost me with my supposed commenst about Johnson, can you direct me to them please. So far as I recall I have never made particular comments about any of the leading political figures in this mess except Drakeford, and, as I have pointed out before and is a point you steadfastly and blinkeredly refuse to acknowledge, it has nothing to do with party politics, it is the man. I don't trust him and I don't like him. I think he allows his own opinions and his own vision of his political beliefs cloud his judgement, and that he often makes the right decisions for the wrong reasons. Now it may not matter why to some folks, so long as its right but that is only good so long as it is right.
I'm not and never have defended Johnson, just because he is in power. I think the same cock ups and nonsense would have happened during this disaster who ever was in power.

[xsnaggle]

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He's had this mad idea in his head from day 1 you won't talk him out of it.

Indoor pubs will be one of the last things to open because they're about as far from essential as you can get (especially if outdoor service is allowed anyway) and the spread inside is so much worse than it is outside. Especially when poeple have been drinking and forget about social distancing.

I'm allowed to have mad ideas if I want to. It isn't illegal in this country------- yet!!

But on a serious note, and one which probably won't be acknowledged, just before lockdown in December a study revealed that there was no evidence to suggest that pubs and restaurants were hotspots of infection or that they added to the spread significantly. The report actually determined that th biggest causes of spread were contact amongst extended families and in the local communities as in people going in and out of each others houses and corner shops.
Drakeford actually quoted this in one of his briefings, acknowledging that they were not a great cause, and immediately after closed all the pubs and restaurants, and is now intent that they should stay closed as long as possible.
Where ever you stand that very clearly does not make any sense!

[Rjk]

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I'm allowed to have mad ideas if I want to. It isn't illegal in this country------- yet!!

But on a serious note, and one which probably won't be acknowledged, just before lockdown in December a study revealed that there was no evidence to suggest that pubs and restaurants were hotspots of infection or that they added to the spread significantly. The report actually determined that th biggest causes of spread were contact amongst extended families and in the local communities as in people going in and out of each others houses and corner shops.
Drakeford actually quoted this in one of his briefings, acknowledging that they were not a great cause, and immediately after closed all the pubs and restaurants, and is now intent that they should stay closed as long as possible.
Where ever you stand that very clearly does not make any sense!

you do know that they're also closed in England don't you?
is Boris Johnson also part of this shadowy plot to close all pubs?

[xsnaggle]

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you do know that they're also closed in England don't you?
is Boris Johnson also part of this shadowy plot to close all pubs?

Strangely enough I did spot that. I go to England quite regularly, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day. He might be. Is he a lizard?

[The Bloop]

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I'm allowed to have mad ideas if I want to. It isn't illegal in this country------- yet!!

But on a serious note, and one which probably won't be acknowledged, just before lockdown in December a study revealed that there was no evidence to suggest that pubs and restaurants were hotspots of infection or that they added to the spread significantly. The report actually determined that th biggest causes of spread were contact amongst extended families and in the local communities as in people going in and out of each others houses and corner shops.
Drakeford actually quoted this in one of his briefings, acknowledging that they were not a great cause, and immediately after closed all the pubs and restaurants, and is now intent that they should stay closed as long as possible.
Where ever you stand that very clearly does not make any sense!

Did Drakeford actually say that people going in and out of corner shops was one of the biggest causes of the spread of the virus?

[surge]

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I'm allowed to have mad ideas if I want to. It isn't illegal in this country------- yet!!

But on a serious note, and one which probably won't be acknowledged, just before lockdown in December a study revealed that there was no evidence to suggest that pubs and restaurants were hotspots of infection or that they added to the spread significantly. The report actually determined that th biggest causes of spread were contact amongst extended families and in the local communities as in people going in and out of each others houses and corner shops.
Drakeford actually quoted this in one of his briefings, acknowledging that they were not a great cause, and immediately after closed all the pubs and restaurants, and is now intent that they should stay closed as long as possible.
Where ever you stand that very clearly does not make any sense!

Do you have a link to the study? Think we need to be cautious because i) initially there was no evidence to say it was an airborne virus but now there are lots of studies to say that it is - lack of evidence sometimes just means lack of evidence, ii) you can probably find a study to say anything but need to check how effectively it's been set up and how it managed limitations and iii) there is evidence that spread is much more likely indoors so why are pubs/restaurants different?

If we're following that study we'd be better off banning corner shops and meeting inside the home (there are rules for the latter) but keep restaurants open. That might be seen as the better option if/when this sort of thing happens again.

Sometimes it's just a political choice though. Scotland made the conscious choice that if it was one of schools or pubs that schools would be protected and pretty sure most would agree with that.

[Croesy Blue]

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But on a serious note, and one which probably won't be acknowledged, just before lockdown in December a study revealed that there was no evidence to suggest that pubs and restaurants were hotspots of infection or that they added to the spread significantly. The report actually determined that th biggest causes of spread were contact amongst extended families and in the local communities as in people going in and out of each others houses and corner shops.

Where is a link to this study on pubs and restaurants?

You are more likely to catch covid at a supermarket or a house when nothing else is open but that's because it's the only indoor thing you can do.

[goats]

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https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/sta...619394560?s=19

Wales has lowest rate in the UK for the last 2 months.
well done to those involved.

So we should everything has been closed for almost ever

[life on mars]

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I'm sorry, I don't want to reduce the thread into a petty argument but you have lost me with my supposed commenst about Johnson, can you direct me to them please. So far as I recall I have never made particular comments about any of the leading political figures in this mess except Drakeford, and, as I have pointed out before and is a point you steadfastly and blinkeredly refuse to acknowledge, it has nothing to do with party politics, it is the man. I don't trust him and I don't like him. I think he allows his own opinions and his own vision of his political beliefs cloud his judgement, and that he often makes the right decisions for the wrong reasons. Now it may not matter why to some folks, so long as its right but that is only good so long as it is right.
I'm not and never have defended Johnson, just because he is in power. I think the same cock ups and nonsense would have happened during this disaster who ever was in power.

Spot on , how anyone in the world could have a avoided a wrong decision ( or cock up as some like to call it ) is beyond me .

I've been accused of the same political drivel , ( tip of the day ) don't criticise the Labour party nationally or locally or your instantly a Tory by default.

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Spot on , how anyone in the world could have a avoided a wrong decision ( or cock up as some like to call it ) is beyond me .

I've been accused of the same political drivel , ( tip of the day ) don't criticise the Labour party nationally or locally or your instantly a Tory by default.

I think the same cock ups and nonsense would have happened during this disaster who ever was in power.

how anyone in the world could have a avoided a wrong decision ( or cock up as some like to call it ) is beyond me .

You realise you're saying something different, don't you?

You only have to go back to RJK's post earlier to see that while Scotland may currently have the highest number of cases their peak over winter was the smallest and that Wales had an earlier peak but was smaller and already on it's way down before England and Northern Ireland peaked to the point that it's been lowest in Wales for past two months. Blatantly the same cock-ups haven't happened around the UK, and some (Sunak) have made more cock-ups than others.

[xsnaggle]

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Do you have a link to the study? Think we need to be cautious because i) initially there was no evidence to say it was an airborne virus but now there are lots of studies to say that it is - lack of evidence sometimes just means lack of evidence, ii) you can probably find a study to say anything but need to check how effectively it's been set up and how it managed limitations and iii) there is evidence that spread is much more likely indoors so why are pubs/restaurants different?

If we're following that study we'd be better off banning corner shops and meeting inside the home (there are rules for the latter) but keep restaurants open. That might be seen as the better option if/when this sort of thing happens again.

Sometimes it's just a political choice though. Scotland made the conscious choice that if it was one of schools or pubs that schools would be protected and pretty sure most would agree with that.

I don't have a link it was a report on the BBC news web site, I'm sure there are people on here more IT savvy than me who could find it but they may not wish to. I agree it was almost certainly a political decision in the whole of UK not just Wales. They clearly couold not physically prevent people from mixing in the community nor in families, even extended ones but they could stop people using pubs and restaurants.
The problem is if you close the pubs and restaurants and the infection rates go down they say, see we told you so, but perhaps if the had been able to stop one of the other 2 things the rate may have gone down even more. Obviously we will never know. But they said opening schools would cause ac rise of some sort in infections but the figures imply that it has done no such thing.
For bloop, I don't recall Drakeford saying the corner shop thing but he definitely did say that mixing in the community and people going in and out of people houses was one of the biggest problems and he did acknowledge that the study they were referring to had shown that infections in pubs and restaurants were not a major driver of infections. I did actually reference it in a post at the time, probably in the Corona virus thread if anyone cares enough to find it.

Anyway besides all that, I want my pub open, and I'll scream and scream and stamp my foot until it is. so there!!!!!