Leicester could face record points deduction

[Jimmy the Jock]

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Basically you/we are all customers , in a successful premier league side , expendable customers .
Tourists spend more money than life long fans , on their seats and in the club shop.
We saw it when we went to the chosen land in the lovely red strip .
Protest all you like , there were customers happy to sit in your seat adorned in red .
Its an entertainment business and YOU are a customer no matter what your standing.
Why sell the seat to a loyal OAP on discount when it can be sold to a tourist for a far better return.

The only problem with the business over anything model is when you slip back into the dungeon league and suddenly the
loyal fans have a value again.

[FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead]

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It's no coincidence to me that, over the last 10 years, non-league attendances (i.e. tiers 5 to 10 and beyond) have been steadily growing. Not only are the tickets cheaper, but the match day experience is far more authentic.

German football really did itself a huge favour with that 50+1 rule.

[splott parker]

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Basically you/we are all customers , in a successful premier league side , expendable customers .
Tourists spend more money than life long fans , on their seats and in the club shop.
We saw it when we went to the chosen land in the lovely red strip .
Protest all you like , there were customers happy to sit in your seat adorned in red .
Its an entertainment business and YOU are a customer no matter what your standing.
Why sell the seat to a loyal OAP on discount when it can be sold to a tourist for a far better return.

The only problem with the business over anything model is when you slip back into the dungeon league and suddenly the
loyal fans have a value again.

Met a family from Audenshaw, Manchester on holiday over 30 years ago. He was a Man Utd fan who reckoned his club didn’t want him anymore even then. He’d stopped going to home games due to this, he described his match day experience before he packed it in as very much the same as mine, few pints with his mates, get in the ground about 20 minutes before kick off, straight off for a few pints after the final whistle. He reckoned the club wanted coaches from places all over, pulling into the car park behind the superstore, going in, spending a fortune on tat, watching the game, back in the superstore post match, getting on their buses and off home. Two weeks later coaches from other parts would repeat the process.
The club weren’t satisfied with local fans just paying their entrance fee, the aim was to milk the tourists. Him and his mates still went away where he said you were among genuine fans. No doubt there’s all sorts of hoops you need to jump through nowadays to get an away ticket now, I s’pose though.

[Jimmy the Jock]

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Met a family from Audenshaw, Manchester on holiday over 30 years ago. He was a Man Utd fan who reckoned his club didn’t want him anymore even then. He’d stopped going to home games due to this, he described his match day experience before he packed it in as very much the same as mine, few pints with his mates, get in the ground about 20 minutes before kick off, straight off for a few pints after the final whistle. He reckoned the club wanted coaches from places all over, pulling into the car park behind the superstore, going in, spending a fortune on tat, watching the game, back in the superstore post match, getting on their buses and off home. Two weeks later coaches from other parts would repeat the process.
The club weren’t satisfied with local fans just paying their entrance fee, the aim was to milk the tourists. Him and his mates still went away where he said you were among genuine fans. No doubt there’s all sorts of hoops you need to jump through nowadays to get an away ticket now, I s’pose though.

Those were two thoughts that went through my head whilst typing .
The away fans pretty much stayed true to blue , wearing red was on the whole frowned upon on away days , it felt more like the Cardiff I felt I had signed up for .

I have watched Newport a few times over the years , it feels a little less corporate , actually a lot less corporate .
But, its just the general football experience diluted.
Look at Wrexham , Man City, the loyal supporters are the dinosaurs , bring on the tourists.

Even at grass roots football there is a hierarchy of those with the most money are King .
Friend of mine manages Taffs Well .
They cant afford to pay much more than expenses to their players ,so they cultivate local young lads,
who disappear off to the teams paying £200 a game when their talent flourishes .
Not a supporters / customer example but definitely how football is.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Met a family from Audenshaw, Manchester on holiday over 30 years ago. He was a Man Utd fan who reckoned his club didn’t want him anymore even then. He’d stopped going to home games due to this, he described his match day experience before he packed it in as very much the same as mine, few pints with his mates, get in the ground about 20 minutes before kick off, straight off for a few pints after the final whistle. He reckoned the club wanted coaches from places all over, pulling into the car park behind the superstore, going in, spending a fortune on tat, watching the game, back in the superstore post match, getting on their buses and off home. Two weeks later coaches from other parts would repeat the process.
The club weren’t satisfied with local fans just paying their entrance fee, the aim was to milk the tourists. Him and his mates still went away where he said you were among genuine fans. No doubt there’s all sorts of hoops you need to jump through nowadays to get an away ticket now, I s’pose though.

Next step will be the increase in TV rights for the biggest clubs, maybe pay per view for individual matches, fill the grounds then sell a match day experience to fans at home.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Closed shop and the end of season tickets and price breaks for fans are an inevitability at the top level IMO - the Americans and the Saudis aren’t buying clubs for the amount they are for anything other than a guaranteed return and a way to squeeze as much money out of them as possible. A fan from down the road isn’t paying what a tourist will pay for a seat or what they will pay in the club shop 38 times a season.

The only thing left is to quibble over the details and when it happens, but I think it’s more likely that teams are playing mid season games regularly abroad within the next 5 years than not.

People have been saying this sort of thing for about twenty years. Same as the European Super League.

As for the tourists, do they really want to watch Villa, Palace, Brighton, Wolves, Fulham, Everton, etc?

[Don Corleone]

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People have been saying this sort of thing for about twenty years. Same as the European Super League.

As for the tourists, do they really want to watch Villa, Palace, Brighton, Wolves, Fulham, Everton, etc?

I think they do if they’re playing a bigger club but probably applies more to London based clubs. Fulham certainly has that section next to the away fans which they designate the tourist / neutral section

[Jimmy the Jock]

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People have been saying this sort of thing for about twenty years. Same as the European Super League.

As for the tourists, do they really want to watch Villa, Palace, Brighton, Wolves, Fulham, Everton, etc?

There were plenty when we were in the premier league.
A lot of local tourists as well .

[The Lone Gunman]

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There were plenty when we were in the premier league.
A lot of local tourists as well .

I'm pretty sure every club has tourists from time to time. Indeed, I've been to watch teams in Germany, France and Spain as a tourist. But the notion that tourists could or would replace local supporters is just ludicrous as far as the vast majority of clubs are concerned.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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I'm pretty sure every club has tourists from time to time. Indeed, I've been to watch teams in Germany, France and Spain as a tourist. But the notion that tourists could or would replace local supporters is just ludicrous as far as the vast majority of clubs are concerned.

Most of the Sky 6 have been reducing ST numbers and making more tickets available online via agencies etc. whereby a 'tourist' will pay 2 or 3 times what a ST brings in for a single game..

[The Lone Gunman]

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Most of the Sky 6 have been reducing ST numbers and making more tickets available online via agencies etc. whereby a 'tourist' will pay 2 or 3 times what a ST brings in for a single game..

So not the vast majority of clubs then. Just the 'Sky 6'.

What happens when they're on TNT or Amazon? Do the prices quadruple?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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So not the vast majority of clubs then. Just the 'Sky 6'.

What happens when they're on TNT or Amazon? Do the prices quadruple?

Not sure what the hehe is for - PL clubs are increasing ST prices and reducing numbers as some ST holders are priced out. The club/s then get a lot more by selling those tickets on a match by match basis.

[Blue Dwr]

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Most of the Sky 6 have been reducing ST numbers and making more tickets available online via agencies etc. whereby a 'tourist' will pay 2 or 3 times what a ST brings in for a single game..

There's talk at Liverpool of them stopping season tickets and only allowing match by match ticket sales. Much bigger income for them.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Not sure what the hehe is for - PL clubs are increasing ST prices and reducing numbers as some ST holders are priced out. The club/s then get a lot more by selling those tickets on a match by match basis.

I was laughing at the Sky 6 comment. So which are the clubs you’re referring to?

[The Lone Gunman]

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There's talk at Liverpool of them stopping season tickets and only allowing match by match ticket sales. Much bigger income for them.

Who’s doing the talking?