Central midfield

[the other bob wilson]

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It’s simple. He’s consistently awful in terms of controlling and passing the football. It’s no more complicated than that.

Others are also poor in those respects but, to me at least, Brown looks comfortably the worst of the current crop. He appears outclassed at this level.

He did last night, but I don't see too much difference between him and others in his position before that - we've had the 19/20 version of Flint playing for us lately and Nelson's played poorly since he came back. I just think that the deep rooted problems among the senior squad are too widespread for us to be singling one individual out as being worse than everyone else,

[the other bob wilson]

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[The Lone Gunman]

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He did last night, but I don't see too much difference between him and others in his position before that - we've had the 19/20 version of Flint playing for us lately and Nelson's played poorly since he came back. I just think that the deep rooted problems among the senior squad are too widespread for us to be singling one individual out as being worse than everyone else,

They were all very poor last night, but in Brown’s case I haven’t seen anything in any of his performances so far to suggest he’s going to be good enough for this level. He’s big and his defending is reasonably competent but that’s about it. He can’t seem to do anything constructive with the ball at his feet.

[olderblue]

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His use of the open space 50 yards ahead of him was brilliant
Shame really as I'd heard good things about him from pals north of the border, I was hoping he was going to come back and really grab his chance.
From what I've seen I can't see how he's likely to be here for next season

[Cardiff Ultra]

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I think the OP is a little harsh. Id say that Vaulks, Bacuna and Ralls are all perfectly good Championship midfielders, the problem is that they are all more or less of a type (grafters) so playing them together is a recipe for a lack of creativity and inability to keep possession.

Theoretically that's where Pack should come. He should be the one playing the Joe Allen / Stephen McPhail role, the play should flow through him and he should be the be the link between defence and attack. In truth though weve seen precious little of that from him.

Personally I hate the 3-4-3 formation. It neutralises the wingers because they have to tuck in to accommodate the wing backs and doesn't give you the option of playing a number ten. I can see why McCarthys gone with it because the only creative midfielder we have thats worth anything is Tomlin who's had a dreadful run with injuries but playing Bacuna as one of the from three? **** right off.

That though had been a glaring problem at the club for literally years. Weve barely signed any creative midfielders, probably due to the types of manager that weve had and the fact that we dont have a director football. Perhaps the systemic problems at the club need addressing before the endless hiring and firing of managers.

[jon1959]

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His use of the open space 50 yards ahead of him was brilliant
Shame really as I'd heard good things about him from pals north of the border, I was hoping he was going to come back and really grab his chance.
From what I've seen I can't see how he's likely to be here for next season

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/exclusive-cardiff-city-in-talks-with-23-year-old-over-new-deal/

[Joe Gillis]

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I think the OP is a little harsh. Id say that Vaulks, Bacuna and Ralls are all perfectly good Championship midfielders, the problem is that they are all more or less of a type (grafters) so playing them together is a recipe for a lack of creativity and inability to keep possession.

Theoretically that's where Pack should come. He should be the one playing the Joe Allen / Stephen McPhail role, the play should flow through him and he should be the be the link between defence and attack. In truth though weve seen precious little of that from him.

Personally I hate the 3-4-3 formation. It neutralises the wingers because they have to tuck in to accommodate the wing backs and doesn't give you the option of playing a number ten. I can see why McCarthys gone with it because the only creative midfielder we have thats worth anything is Tomlin who's had a dreadful run with injuries but playing Bacuna as one of the from three? **** right off.

That though had been a glaring problem at the club for literally years. Weve barely signed any creative midfielders, probably due to the types of manager that weve had and the fact that we dont have a director football. Perhaps the systemic problems at the club need addressing before the endless hiring and firing of managers.

In my opinion, even if we had two ball playing Bannan types in our midfield then any of the others we have as a holding midfielder would still stand out as a weak link, they simply cannot pass the ball

[City123]

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I think a lot of the stuff levelled at Ralls is pretty harsh, he's played a lot of games at this level and generally been pretty successful. If he were shit he wouldn't have been an important part of a side that's been top half Championship at least throughout his time here

That being said, this has certainly not been his best season

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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I think a lot of the stuff levelled at Ralls is pretty harsh, he's played a lot of games at this level and generally been pretty successful. If he were shit he wouldn't have been an important part of a side that's been top half Championship at least throughout his time here

That being said, this has certainly not been his best season

He's one-paced, poor at passing, erratic when in possession, and isn't blessed with a good footballing brain... apart from that I agree with you.

[Shrewsbury Blue]

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Ciaron Brown is taking this aspect of City's play to new levels. He is so poor with the ball at his feet that it's genuinely incredible he's playing at Championship level.

I watch Shrewsbuy Town play occasionally and I have no doubt Ciaron Brown would not get in their team and they are 17th in league one. For him to be doing well in Scotland the mind boggles at what the standard is like outside the big two up there. You would think to be a professional footballer even a centre half you should be able to make a simple pass to a player in your own team.

[The Hooded Claw]

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https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ex...over-new-deal/

We’ll probably offer him a 5 year deal...

[PhyllisStant]

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I think the OP is a little harsh. Id say that Vaulks, Bacuna and Ralls are all perfectly good Championship midfielders, the problem is that they are all more or less of a type (grafters) so playing them together is a recipe for a lack of creativity and inability to keep possession.

Theoretically that's where Pack should come. He should be the one playing the Joe Allen / Stephen McPhail role, the play should flow through him and he should be the be the link between defence and attack. In truth though weve seen precious little of that from him.

Personally I hate the 3-4-3 formation. It neutralises the wingers because they have to tuck in to accommodate the wing backs and doesn't give you the option of playing a number ten. I can see why McCarthys gone with it because the only creative midfielder we have thats worth anything is Tomlin who's had a dreadful run with injuries but playing Bacuna as one of the from three? **** right off.

That though had been a glaring problem at the club for literally years. Weve barely signed any creative midfielders, probably due to the types of manager that weve had and the fact that we dont have a director football. Perhaps the systemic problems at the club need addressing before the endless hiring and firing of managers.

This is exactly how I see it too. These players didn't get slated in the same way at other clubs as they do here because the blend of players around them and the job they were asked to do differed. We lack someone who can create time for themselves, dictate tempo, always be available for the ball and pick a pass.

[alfie]

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Can anybody confirm what they do or if any of them do anything well?

It is ridiculous how we have let it get to this stage.

They can't pass, can't create anything and as it showed earlier are not that great at stopping attacks coming at them. What do they do?

Would you keep any of them if their contract was up this summer?

At last,,a man talking sense. Totally agree. We haven't had a decent midfield for years

[Rjk]

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His use of the open space 50 yards ahead of him was brilliant
Shame really as I'd heard good things about him from pals north of the border, I was hoping he was going to come back and really grab his chance.
From what I've seen I can't see how he's likely to be here for next season

Given the financial situation of many clubs, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him here next season. I think it'll be a very quiet transfer window for almost everyone.

[the other bob wilson]

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Given the financial situation of many clubs, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him here next season. I think it'll be a very quiet transfer window for almost everyone.

I doubt that. To use Newport County as an example, they’ve got twenty one players out of contract this summer - that’s an extreme case, but I think there’ll be plenty of clubs scouring the free transfer market while trying to cash in on their most sellable assets.