Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

[Father Dougal]

The argument I keep hearing is with so many managers sacked surely it can't be all of them who are poor and maybe cardiff is an impossible job.

I understand this but perhaps actually apart from warnock then since malky they all have been poor managers. They were poor before we appointed them and had achieved nothing of relevance recently before coming to us- and have achieved nothing after leaving us. Maybe they have all just been crap? Ole, slade, trollope, harris, mick, morison, hudson, sabri, bulut. Any of those done anything of note recently before joining us or gone on to after leaving?

I'm not paying too much attention to managerial race as I'm so sure riza is getting it, but surely they have to try and appoint a manager with recent relevant success at this level? It's never been tried before so could be worth a go?!

Edit I know ole went on to get sacked by man u but rather unique circumstances and I don't think his stock is any higher now than when he left here.

[NinianKnight]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

I am an eternal optimist so for that reason I believe that managers can succeed at Cardiff. I know that it is vouge to put all the blame at the door of Tan, DM and KC (with a lot of justification) but being honest fan, power won’t get rid of Tan only death or a bid north of £200m will do that.

Therefore, we are stuck with him. So, let's try and work with him and that starts with taking more notice of what he is doing right.

A new academy to bring through young talent is brilliant. It is a possible income stream for the club as well as bringing players to the first team. Tan is also now building a new training ground which will help any new manager. Tan is also expanding the recruitment department, and we have never breached FFP.

Generally, managers only succeed if they have something to work with i.e. decent players. Looking at our squad it is reasonably decent and should be doing a lot better. Robinson must start, and other players like NG must get out of their sulking moods.

It may take a few years for the improvement in infrastructure to kick in but I do believe that the foundations for success are being laid.

[Father Dougal]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

I am an eternal optimist so for that reason I believe that managers can succeed at Cardiff. I know that it is vouge to put all the blame at the door of Tan, DM and KC (with a lot of justification) but being honest fan, power won’t get rid of Tan only death or a bid north of £200m will do that.

Therefore, we are stuck with him. So, let's try and work with him and that starts with taking more notice of what he is doing right.

A new academy to bring through young talent is brilliant. It is a possible income stream for the club as well as bringing players to the first team. Tan is also now building a new training ground which will help any new manager. Tan is also expanding the recruitment department, and we have never breached FFP.

Generally, managers only succeed if they have something to work with i.e. decent players. Looking at our squad it is reasonably decent and should be doing a lot better. Robinson must start, and other players like NG must get out of their sulking moods.

It may take a few years for the improvement in infrastructure to kick in but I do believe that the foundations for success are being laid.

And even in the here and now I reckon recent city managers have all been backed quite well when it comes to wages etc..... I think that's the frustrating thing we are spending money and aren't even doing this on the cheap. It's cost a lot of money to get a squad as weak as this!

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

How many times since 2010 when Tan first arrived have we had a good Board, good manager and good team at the same time? I’d answer none and there haven’t been many times when we’ve got two of them right - Dave Jones in 2011 maybe, during Malky Mackay’s perhaps and for one season under Neil Warnock I’d say. The early evidence of this season is we’ve got none out of three and we’ll probably need to get about one and a half out of three if we want to stay up, so the players have got to do a lot of improving.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

How many times since 2010 when Tan first arrived have we had a good Board, good manager and good team at the same time? I’d answer none and there haven’t been many times when we’ve got two of them right - Dave Jones in 2011 maybe, during Malky Mackay’s perhaps and for one season under Neil Warnock I’d say. The early evidence of this season is we’ve got none out of three and we’ll probably need to get about one and a half out of three if we want to stay up, so the players have got to do a lot of improving.

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[JumpersforGoalposts]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

The argument I keep hearing is with so many managers sacked surely it can't be all of them who are poor and maybe cardiff is an impossible job.

I understand this but perhaps actually apart from warnock then since malky they all have been poor managers. They were poor before we appointed them and had achieved nothing of relevance recently before coming to us- and have achieved nothing after leaving us. Maybe they have all just been crap? Ole, slade, trollope, harris, mick, morison, hudson, sabri, bulut. Any of those done anything of note recently before joining us or gone on to after leaving?

I'm not paying too much attention to managerial race as I'm so sure riza is getting it, but surely they have to try and appoint a manager with recent relevant success at this level? It's never been tried before so could be worth a go?!

Edit I know ole went on to get sacked by man u but rather unique circumstances and I don't think his stock is any higher now than when he left here.

We have had two manager's (Mackay and Warnock) who have got us into the Premier League where we've struggled and many who have failed.
Interestingly if you look at our manager's records prior to coming to us only Solskjaer, Slade and Harris had win ratios of over 40% but couldn't hit those levels at Cardiff.
The real conundrum is what is a good manager? Mackay and Warnock succeeded despite win ratio stats in their previous roles of 33.3% and 37.5% respectively.

[NinianKnight]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

And even in the here and now I reckon recent city managers have all been backed quite well when it comes to wages etc..... I think that's the frustrating thing we are spending money and aren't even doing this on the cheap. It's cost a lot of money to get a squad as weak as this!

I did mention that our past failings are blamed on VT, DM & KC with some justification. The point was that the board are going nowhere unless Tan passes away or some idiot gives him £200m for the club. There seems to be some grassroots progress which will eventually help any manager but that will take time to manifest. The truth is things might get worse before getting better.

However, the way things are progressing your point about value for money with regard to the playing squad is looking like a very astute one

[NinianKnight]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

How many times since 2010 when Tan first arrived have we had a good Board, good manager and good team at the same time? I’d answer none and there haven’t been many times when we’ve got two of them right - Dave Jones in 2011 maybe, during Malky Mackay’s perhaps and for one season under Neil Warnock I’d say. The early evidence of this season is we’ve got none out of three and we’ll probably need to get about one and a half out of three if we want to stay up, so the players have got to do a lot of improving.

Depends on your parameters on what make a good or bad board. I am not going to make any statements stating VT, DM & KC are a template for success at a football club as it is obvious they have made some awful decisions.

However, they have been good in certain areas. Prior to 2010 we seemed to be in the winding up courts on a weekly basis. In the past 14 years there has been no wind-up petitions.

We have never had a points deduction for breaches of FFP. True we have had transfer embargos but must clubs have and ours were expectational circumstances.

The stadium has been expanded, the training ground is under way, and there are new academy facilities.

I agree the appointment of a decent manager seems to allude us, but it is reported that the club are taking advantage of outside consultants for our next one.

[ToTaL ITK]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

No ..not with the fools on the board making phucking stupid decisions on a monthly basis

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

We've been promoted twice under Tan, so obviously yes.

[Steve the Tea]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

We've been promoted twice under Tan, so obviously yes.

Wasn't Malky appointed before Tan took over the Club?

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[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

Wasn't Malky appointed before Tan took over the Club?

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Yes but he got promoted under Tan. Whether Tan is helping or not wasn't the question, we've got promoted twice. He loves to hire poor managers for some reason but we obviously can be successful under him.

[Crisp White Lines]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

Depends on your parameters on what make a good or bad board. I am not going to make any statements stating VT, DM & KC are a template for success at a football club as it is obvious they have made some awful decisions.

However, they have been good in certain areas. Prior to 2010 we seemed to be in the winding up courts on a weekly basis. In the past 14 years there has been no wind-up petitions.

We have never had a points deduction for breaches of FFP. True we have had transfer embargos but must clubs have and ours were expectational circumstances.

The stadium has been expanded, the training ground is under way, and there are new academy facilities.

I agree the appointment of a decent manager seems to allude us, but it is reported that the club are taking advantage of outside consultants for our next one.

This is the weird paradox:.
Those running the club appear to have stabilised the finances, yet they waste so much money due to dreadful decisions..

Perhaps the finances only appear stable because Tan has deep pockets.

Would he rather throw money at the club than face the embarrassment of admitting failure?

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

Depends on your parameters on what make a good or bad board. I am not going to make any statements stating VT, DM & KC are a template for success at a football club as it is obvious they have made some awful decisions.

However, they have been good in certain areas. Prior to 2010 we seemed to be in the winding up courts on a weekly basis. In the past 14 years there has been no wind-up petitions.

We have never had a points deduction for breaches of FFP. True we have had transfer embargos but must clubs have and ours were expectational circumstances.

The stadium has been expanded, the training ground is under way, and there are new academy facilities.

I agree the appointment of a decent manager seems to allude us, but it is reported that the club are taking advantage of outside consultants for our next one.

Yep and with all of those positives you mention, they still haven’t succeeded over a very long period, they’ve been poor for fourteen years.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Could a good manager succeed at cardiff?

This is the weird paradox:.
Those running the club appear to have stabilised the finances, yet they waste so much money due to dreadful decisions..

Perhaps the finances only appear stable because Tan has deep pockets.

Would he rather throw money at the club than face the embarrassment of admitting failure?

Because we're Tan's plaything

FWIW Dalman isn't any better, the Bulut we got was the Bulut that Turkish fans told us he'd been. Dire football, it will work for a while and then in the second season the wheels will completely fall off.