Hypothetical question

[Eric the Half a Bee]

If we continue this season at Omer Riza's current ppg average, we would finish on 53 points and be safe from relegation.

Last season we finished the season in 12th after a very good start and a dreadful last few months. This season we had a dreadful start but appear (touch wood) to be turning a corner. Omer Riza currently has a better ppg average overall than Erol Bulut, however, last season our ppg average was just over 0.04 per game than we've managed this season under Riza.

So, if we were to continue in a similar vein under Riza, would you consider this to me a more positive season than last season? I would, simply due to watching the club improve as it went on, not collapse after a bright start.

[Hilts]

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The positives if we stay up will be we have young players who with some positive additions mean we can kick on.

Ashford the Colwills Bagan Robertson Tanner. Hopefully all can continue to improve.

We badly need a good window this summer not just with incoming but outgoings as well.

Staying up will still be a close call mind.

[RichardM]

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What's your hypothetical question?

Edit
Missed the first post andvreplied to the second one.
Yes, with a decent finish to this season I would see it as more positive.

[AdrianAlston]

Re: Hypothetical question

If we continue this season at Omer Riza's current ppg average, we would finish on 53 points and be safe from relegation.

Last season we finished the season in 12th after a very good start and a dreadful last few months. This season we had a dreadful start but appear (touch wood) to be turning a corner. Omer Riza currently has a better ppg average overall than Erol Bulut, however, last season our ppg average was just over 0.04 per game than we've managed this season under Riza.

So, if we were to continue in a similar vein under Riza, would you consider this to me a more positive season than last season? I would, simply due to watching the club improve as it went on, not collapse after a bright start.

Yes, and we can add Isaak Davies (injuries permitting), Salech, Fish & Simic to this. They are all 23 and under. The recent recruitment has been intelligent, they won't all make it, but as a group they should improve and will grow in value.

Let's hope Etete (still only 23) has a good loan and we can get a bit of money back on him (we paid £500k). The club has had a policy to have options to extend in contracts (it's become pretty commonplace everywhere) but the option needs to be exercised by the end of January. I wonder if Etete's contract has one and if the club will gamble on the extension or rely on a tribunal? Both are gambles.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Hypothetical question

If we continue this season at Omer Riza's current ppg average, we would finish on 53 points and be safe from relegation.

Last season we finished the season in 12th after a very good start and a dreadful last few months. This season we had a dreadful start but appear (touch wood) to be turning a corner. Omer Riza currently has a better ppg average overall than Erol Bulut, however, last season our ppg average was just over 0.04 per game than we've managed this season under Riza.

So, if we were to continue in a similar vein under Riza, would you consider this to me a more positive season than last season? I would, simply due to watching the club improve as it went on, not collapse after a bright start.

The improvement in football is a definite positive. To be considered an improvement, we will need to finish 11th or above; otherwise, it's a slipback from where we were. This is obviously a better squad, though, so that's another positive.

[AdrianAlston]

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The improvement in football is a definite positive. To be considered an improvement, we will need to finish 11th or above; otherwise, it's a slipback from where we were. This is obviously a better squad, though, so that's another positive.

great point and more importantly, of the 7 1st team squad players that have been replaced; Romeo, W-Esbrand, McGuinness, Phillips (or Panzo), Bowler, Grant, Ugbo (or Diedhiou) 5 were on loan. Their replacements, Fish, Daland, Chambers, Robertson, Willock, El Ghazi and Salech are all permanent signings (although El Ghazi is on a one year deal). We've also seen the emergence of Ashford into a 1st team player and we are yet to see Simic

[xsnaggle]

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The squad is stronger, is being encouraged by the manager to play a more attacking kind of football, is gaining confidence every week.
I believe we'll finish with more that 53 points.

The games to come may be harder as we get closer to the end of the season but when we replay some of the teams that beat us early in the season they will be facing a completely different Cardiff City to the one they met earlier. And of course if we do well in Feb then some of the teams above us will be below us or closer. History tells us hat one or two teams will drop off just as usually happens,

[Rjk]

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The improvement in football is a definite positive. To be considered an improvement, we will need to finish 11th or above; otherwise, it's a slipback from where we were. This is obviously a better squad, though, so that's another positive.

I'm not sure, mid table is mid table.
if we finished 11th or 13th I don't see any big difference, if we are playing better football, improving and bringing younger players through and finished 16th that's better than grinding our way to 11th with older players who will all leave at the end of the season

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I'm not sure, mid table is mid table.
if we finished 11th or 13th I don't see any big difference, if we are playing better football, improving and bringing younger players through and finished 16th that's better than grinding our way to 11th with older players who will all leave at the end of the season

Absolutely and that's the point.

Last season I didn't care less than we finished 12th. Performances and results had generally been woeful for months and we were on a downward curve. If it had been a round of golf it would have been the equivalent of congratulating yourself on a level par round after being -7 after 6 holes and ignoring the fact that the last 12 took 55 strokes.

If we finished 16th this season, I'd see that as more successful, given the awful (but expected) start we made to the season. We'd have made progress, not gone backwards. One of my biggest criticisms of Dave Jones's tenure was the way we made great starts to seasons, then faded. Take 2008/09 when we finished 7th but were in the running for automatic with 4 games to go, and 2007/08 when we were bottom early on, there were calls for Jones to be sacked, but we rallied, finished 12th and made a cup final. I know what season I preferred.