One of the most Efficient in the championship

[Crisp White Lines]

Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

There has? How many of the 26 players Deboys have signed have been genuine, unqualified successes? I make it 7. Robertson, Salech, Mannsverk, Alves, Goutas, Grant and Phillips. There as many genuine stinkers, such as Meite, Kanga, Simic, Panzo, Runnarsson, Diedhiou, Tsunoda...

The upward trend I refer to are the 3 players from the last window, plus Robertson, (a repositioned) Chambers and Fish (who is looking increasingly capable). All from 24/25

I wouldn't defend the stinkers at all...someone hacked their data I reckon :hehe:

[Rjk]

Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

There has? How many of the 26 players Deboys have signed have been genuine, unqualified successes? I make it 7. Robertson, Salech, Mannsverk, Alves, Goutas, Grant and Phillips. There as many genuine stinkers, such as Meite, Kanga, Simic, Panzo, Runnarsson, Diedhiou, Tsunoda...

Tsunoda has been unfortunate with injuries, but it's hard to blame that on the recruitment team.
They can probably feel that they were justified in expecting more from Meite as well given his track record in the division, but it just hasn't happened.
there are a few genuinely bad ones in there though

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

There has? How many of the 26 players Deboys have signed have been genuine, unqualified successes? I make it 7. Robertson, Salech, Mannsverk, Alves, Goutas, Grant and Phillips. There as many genuine stinkers, such as Meite, Kanga, Simic, Panzo, Runnarsson, Diedhiou, Tsunoda...

I don't believe for a second the responsibility for the signings of either Goutas or Siopis can be attributed to this guy and his team. I'm as certain as I can be that both were exclusively Bulut's men.

[olderblue]

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For the most efficient transfer recruitment team in the league, he's signed about 5 good players there. The rest of the division must be ****ing appalling :hehe:

If you look at the eight or so players signed in the summer Chambers changing positions has been a success Robertson looks like a very good signing who could either be great for us long term or he’ll be sold for a huge profit
Fish is just getting game time and is only recently starting in the first team
Daland the jury is still out

Simic is a really odd signing, but who knows?
Willock and El Ghazi, I’ve been disappointed in both of them and that leaves Kanga, and there really isn’t anything that hasn’t been said to add to that conversation!!!

At best four have come good at worst two or three out of eight, hardly a ringing endorsement of success in my book

On the flip side I’ve been impressed with all three January signings

[Jimmy the Jock]

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Do we really think every player we sign is going to be a superstar?

Like, say , Man Utd that spend 100,s of millions on dummies?

Actually , every football club spends good and bad money . I like our recent additions on the whole .

There I go again with this positive nonsense.

[Rjk]

Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

Do we really think every player we sign is going to be a superstar?

Like, say , Man Utd that spend 100,s of millions on dummies?

Actually , every football club spends good and bad money . I like our recent additions on the whole .

There I go again with this positive nonsense.

plenty of players have been flops at man utd and looked a lot better away from that club - sometimes a player just doesn't fit

[The Lone Gunman]

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Do we really think every player we sign is going to be a superstar?

No, not at all. That would be silly. Nobody thinks that. But it would be nice if the club could put together a squad that wasn’t hovering around the relegation zone for much of the season.

[Splott-light...]

Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

Do we really think every player we sign is going to be a superstar?

Like, say , Man Utd that spend 100,s of millions on dummies?

Actually , every football club spends good and bad money . I like our recent additions on the whole .

There I go again with this positive nonsense.

I agree, certainly regarding the youngsters, but Willock and El Ghazi have game changing moments too, it's more often than not a watchable experience, the only player I tend to sigh when introduced is Meite, but even he has his (albeit very rare) shining moments..

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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No, not at all. That would be silly. Nobody thinks that. But it would be nice if the club could put together a squad that wasn’t hovering around the relegation zone for much of the season.

New infrastructure, personnel and ethos for our transfers - same results (so far). Let's hope it becomes more fruitful, and soon, but it'll need a little time I guess.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Assuming Patrick Deboys was in his current position during the months which led up to the start of the 2023/24 campaign, the senior players the club has signed since he’s been head of recruitment are:

23/24 summer window:

Josh Bowler (loan)
Dimitrios Goutas
Karlan Grant (loan)
Yakou Meite
Jonathan Panzo (loan)
Aaron Ramsey
Runar Runarsson (loan)
Manolis Siopis
Ike Ugbo (loan)

23/24 winter window:

Famara Diedhiou (loan)
Ethan Horvath
Nat Phillips (loan)
Ryotaro Tsunoda
David Turnbull
Josh Wilson-Esbrand (loan)

24/25 summer window:

Callum Chambers
Jesper Daland
Anwar El Ghazi
Will Fish
Wilfried Kanga (loan)
Alex Robertson
Roko Simic
Chris Willock

24/25 winter window:

Will Alves (loan)
Sivert Mannsverk (loan)
Yousef Salech

Don’t think I’ve forgotten anyone (but that’s not guaranteed).

24/25 summer window:

Callum Chambers -Very Good
Jesper Daland - good and still young
Anwar El Ghazi - OK
Will Fish - Good and still young
Wilfried Kanga (loan) - Terrible but only a loan and binned already
Alex Robertson - Very Good and only Young
Roko Simic - poor
Chris Willock - Not bad and only a loan

24/25 winter window:

Will Alves (loan) - Good loan
Sivert Mannsverk (loan) - Very good loan
Yousef Salech - Very good and will improve

Was he fully responsible for last year or was he appointed late with insufficient time to influence?

This year looks very good to me, although we are seeing the best of them. There are a lot of young players, and it's tough when they find themselves thrown into a relegation battle with all the extra pressure.

[Rjk]

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24/25 summer window:

Callum Chambers -Very Good
Jesper Daland - good and still young
Anwar El Ghazi - OK
Will Fish - Good and still young
Wilfried Kanga (loan) - Terrible but only a loan and binned already
Alex Robertson - Very Good and only Young
Roko Simic - poor
Chris Willock - Not bad and only a loan

24/25 winter window:

Will Alves (loan) - Good loan
Sivert Mannsverk (loan) - Very good loan
Yousef Salech - Very good and will improve

Was he fully responsible for last year or was he appointed late with insufficient time to influence?

This year looks very good to me, although we are seeing the best of them. There are a lot of young players, and it's tough when they find themselves thrown into a relegation battle with all the extra pressure.

willock isn't a loan.
I don't think El Ghazi has been as good as OK for the wages we're probably paying him.

Simic early days to write him off yet.

Deboys has been with the club for years also. so he's been a part of previous recruitment strategies to some degree

[Steve the Tea]

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The last fella left in the summer of 2023...

Andrii Fedchenkov [Head of Scouting] left last month.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/key-figure-centre-cardiff-citys-30956451

StT.
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[Rjk]

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while neither the Willock or El Ghazi signings have given us the return we probably would have expected, I think they were both fine from a recruitment point of view.

willock had shown he was a decent player at this level.
El Ghazi was a bit of a gamble having been out of the game for so long, but if it had paid off we'd have got a premier League quality senior player, which isn't an opportunity that championship clubs have too often.
I think they were both worth a go, but with their ages and profile they should be leading players for us, and they just haven't.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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willock isn't a loan.
I don't think El Ghazi has been as good as OK for the wages we're probably paying him.

Simic early days to write him off yet.

Deboys has been with the club for years also. so he's been a part of previous recruitment strategies to some degree

I'd forgotten we bought him, but doesn't it say they've gone a new way since him, so before was down to the previous guy making the decisions, that would be a bit like blaming a coach for a manager's bad performance.

El Ghazi has been OK sometimes and I didn't see any complaints on here when we signed him, he's underperforming, and as you day early days for Simic but he has been poor too.

[Bald Barry Bastad]

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I'd forgotten we bought him, but doesn't it say they've gone a new way since him, so before was down to the previous guy making the decisions, that would be a bit like blaming a coach for a manager's bad performance.

El Ghazi has been OK sometimes and I didn't see any complaints on here when we signed him, he's underperforming, and as you day early days for Simic but he has been poor too.

There was no complaints on here because we're just going on his name and reputation. They as a professional organisation should be doing far more and if they had done their jobs properly they shouldn't have signed him.