Centre halves

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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None of them have taken us down, Warnock got us promoted, and even Bulut got last year's squad top half.

McCarthy was the worst, but even he had a good solid new Manager bounce and a good start.

Morison, Hudson, and Riza have been a disaster, if you are going to get a novice at least get one with genuine promise.

I don't think we would be in this position if we had appointed an experienced Manager.

Mick has a far better record than any of our managers post Warnock, other than Harris. It's not even close.

We would be in this position with an experienced manager, because our best centre half pairing has a young left back in it, and he's our best defender. We've spent 5m and signed 3 centre halves in the summer, and they're all crap there.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I don't think we would be in this position if we had appointed an experienced Manager.

You're entitled to your opinion, which I reckon in this case is bollocks.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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We've appointed "experienced" managers before and they've been no better.

and to be fair to Riza we've changed the back 4 so often because they kept dropping absolute clangers. They've all had ample opportunity to stake their claim to a starting position and not taken it.

Absolutely.

As I've said before, given that our centrebacks have been making so many mistakes, imagine the outcry if Riza kept picking the same ones? I can imagine the comments:

"inexperienced crap manager picking the same useless players"
"how does xxx stay in after those mistakes?"
"ridiculous, 6 conceded in our last 2 games and he picks the same defence"

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Mick has a far better record than any of our managers post Warnock, other than Harris. It's not even close.

We would be in this position with an experienced manager, because our best centre half pairing has a young left back in it, and he's our best defender. We've spent 5m and signed 3 centre halves in the summer, and they're all crap there.

Mick was experienced yes, that's what we needed, not a Morison, Hudson, Riza inexperienced coach thrown in at the deep end.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Mick has a far better record than any of our managers post Warnock, other than Harris. It's not even close.

We would be in this position with an experienced manager, because our best centre half pairing has a young left back in it, and he's our best defender. We've spent 5m and signed 3 centre halves in the summer, and they're all crap there.

Are they crap though?

While our defensive issues are evident, managerial experience significantly influences defensive organisation. Managerial changes can impact team performance, with some teams improving and others declining post-change. Burnley, under Scott Parker, have conceded only nine goals in 26 matches, setting a potential record for defensive solidity. Therefore, with an experienced manager adept at organising defences, our current players might perform much better.

[Hilts]

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It's a poor squad mixed with some young players who would give us hope for the future.

Lovely team goal converted by Simic in the week as well.

However appointing Riza has been the final mistake of an utterly useless board which is going to end up with us in L1 and some of those youngsters heading out.

We will be stuck mind with overpaid awful signings from last summer.

L1 next season won't be easy.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Are they crap though?

While our defensive issues are evident, managerial experience significantly influences defensive organisation. Managerial changes can impact team performance, with some teams improving and others declining post-change. Burnley, under Scott Parker, have conceded only nine goals in 26 matches, setting a potential record for defensive solidity. Therefore, with an experienced manager adept at organising defences, our current players might perform much better.

Our best centre half is a left back who was playing in the Belgian 2nd tier last season. Burnley have centre halves worth 10m+. You can only coach someone so much, I don't see how you can coach Daland to be significantly stronger, Fish to switch on etc, this is basic stuff and they can't do it

[Tuerto]

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It's a poor squad mixed with some young players who would give us hope for the future.

Lovely team goal converted by Simic in the week as well.

However appointing Riza has been the final mistake of an utterly useless board which is going to end up with us in L1 and some of those youngsters heading out.

We will be stuck mind with overpaid awful signings from last summer.

L1 next season won't be easy.

But apart from all that...... :hehe:

[City123]

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Are they crap though?

While our defensive issues are evident, managerial experience significantly influences defensive organisation. Managerial changes can impact team performance, with some teams improving and others declining post-change. Burnley, under Scott Parker, have conceded only nine goals in 26 matches, setting a potential record for defensive solidity. Therefore, with an experienced manager adept at organising defences, our current players might perform much better.

Yes.

[Rjk]

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Yes.

According to Riza he is in charge of the attacking setup he was an attacking player, so that makes sense. the other coaches organise the defence, most of whom he had little say in them being there.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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According to Riza he is in charge of the attacking setup he was an attacking player, so that makes sense. the other coaches organise the defence, most of whom he had little say in them being there.

We've scored 40 goals in 39 games...

[PontBlue]

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I said months ago we should have brought in Morrison as an organiser at the back once we'd got him fit even at his age he's better than Goutas

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I said months ago we should have brought in Morrison as an organiser at the back once we'd got him fit even at his age he's better than Goutas

I think he would have been a good influence as a defence coach and given them some confidence, but he's obvo well past it.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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I said months ago we should have brought in Morrison as an organiser at the back once we'd got him fit even at his age he's better than Goutas

It would have been a disaster attempting to get Morrison fit and playing for us.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Our best centre half is a left back who was playing in the Belgian 2nd tier last season. Burnley have centre halves worth 10m+. You can only coach someone so much, I don't see how you can coach Daland to be significantly stronger, Fish to switch on etc, this is basic stuff and they can't do it

Quite. I don't get why this is a mystery to some, that it's just a case of having an experienced manager to plug the leaks.

There's an old saying that you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Last season Bulut realised we had a crap defence and went more and more defensive to try and help that. This season Riza has tried the opposite approach that attack is the best form of defence.

This season has been one of the worst ever for keeping clean sheets. While it's easy to blame the manager and suggest this would be easily solved by having an experienced gaffer, at some point the penny has to drop and we realise that our defenders are just crap at this level. When we won promotion from the third tier last time we had Gabbs and Prior at the back. Both of those (from the time) would walk into our side. It's that bad. If we go down we need new centre backs.