New manager speculation / rumours thread

[jon1959]

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Rumours going around that its Ramsey. Tiresome now.

If they'd come out after the Norwich game and said "we trust Ramsey to lead us into League 1" then you'd probably get more behind it, now we've publicly revealed ourselves to be just as shambolic as fans imagined

I didn't imagine it would be this shambolic. I honestly thought there would be a decision by the end of May. The club have managed to underperform against the low bar they set themselves. No decision. No communication. No manager.

[ccfcwelshlad]

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Rumours going around that its Ramsey. Tiresome now.

If they'd come out after the Norwich game and said "we trust Ramsey to lead us into League 1" then you'd probably get more behind it, now we've publicly revealed ourselves to be just as shambolic as fans imagined

I think the club were right to pursue other options, it shouldn't have taken this long though. If they'd just employed him straight away then that would've been too quick a call.

I'm not sure they were overly impressed by anyone they interviewed, thus the Jones play and ultimately agreeing to Ramsey's demands.

Hopefully we have a big summer off the field, with good appointments and we can build.

The last 3 title winners of League One all had managers who were in their first league jobs. Hughes & Schumacher did have some coaching experience, but Moutinho didn't. Id argue that Ramsey's footballing career has giving him plenty of exposure to good coach practice etc.

It's a gamble, but any appointment would have been.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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I didn't imagine it would be this shambolic. I honestly thought there would be a decision by the end of May. The club have managed to underperform against the low bar they set themselves. No decision. No communication. No manager.

It's shambolic even by our standards.

[insider]

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I think we needed to a complete change of direction.
Root and branch job.
If this shambles comes to fruition I can only see more of the same.

[Coyote]

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If we spent £200,000 pounds just to pick Ramsey...

[blue matt]

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Id argue that Ramsey's footballing career has giving him plenty of exposure to good coach practice etc.

this, the guy knows football, speaking to people involved at the club, he is 100% committed to us, he wants to do things the right way

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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I think the club were right to pursue other options, it shouldn't have taken this long though. If they'd just employed him straight away then that would've been too quick a call.

I'm not sure they were overly impressed by anyone they interviewed, thus the Jones play and ultimately agreeing to Ramsey's demands.

Hopefully we have a big summer off the field, with good appointments and we can build.

The last 3 title winners of League One all had managers who were in their first league jobs. Hughes & Schumacher did have some coaching experience, but Moutinho didn't. Id argue that Ramsey's footballing career has giving him plenty of exposure to good coach practice etc.

It's a gamble, but any appointment would have been.

Can we assume this is a done deal then as I know you have good contacts at the club.

Not impressed by the appointment or the nature of it if I’m honest. Only thing that gives me a bit of hope is Ramsey is aware of what is needed behind the scenes and made reference to it. Maybe he’s had promises but need to see them actioned first as broken promises and Ramsey walking away in October of his own accord I could easily see

[ccfcwelshlad]

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Can we assume this is a done deal then as I know you have good contacts at the club.

Not impressed by the appointment or the nature of it if IÂ’m honest. Only thing that gives me a bit of hope is Ramsey is aware of what is needed behind the scenes and made reference to it. Maybe heÂ’s had promises but need to see them actioned first as broken promises and Ramsey walking away in October of his own accord I could easily see

This is Cardiff City, things can change quickly :hehe:, but I would be surprised if it doesn't happen.

Yeah, he will have had the assurances to take the job. There was chat elsewhere that Choo had gone in with a derisory wage offer, that wasn't the case. However, reading between the lines, it's been a drawn out process to get to a position where everyone is happy.

I think it's been said elsewhere that VT must trust Ramsey, to give any concession to things like a restructure of staff. I think this is true. I would like to think they wouldn't promise things just to let him down, I would hope VT has that trust and respect in Ramsey.

Seriously, I think anything was a risk. We're a basket case, the options out there were a proper mixed bag. We could spend a fortune on Jones, who's a known hothead. Buckingham could potentially get eaten up by the size of the club (I know we are in League One, but the noise around us is surely much different to Oxford!). Evatt had big clashes with fans at Bolton. Or we could abroad and end up with another short term plan, where we turn over a load of players and staff into a new philosophy, for it not to work and we are in a similar predicament in League One as we have been in recent seasons.

Hopefully some positive movement on staff on the bench and around the club, a few signings and we can hit the ground running come August.

[Garth Blue]

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This is Cardiff City, things can change quickly :hehe:, but I would be surprised if it doesn't happen.

Yeah, he will have had the assurances to take the job. There was chat elsewhere that Choo had gone in with a derisory wage offer, that wasn't the case. However, reading between the lines, it's been a drawn out process to get to a position where everyone is happy.

I think it's been said elsewhere that VT must trust Ramsey, to give any concession to things like a restructure of staff. I think this is true. I would like to think they wouldn't promise things just to let him down, I would hope VT has that trust and respect in Ramsey.

Seriously, I think anything was a risk. We're a basket case, the options out there were a proper mixed bag. We could spend a fortune on Jones, who's a known hothead. Buckingham could potentially get eaten up by the size of the club (I know we are in League One, but the noise around us is surely much different to Oxford!). Evatt had big clashes with fans at Bolton. Or we could abroad and end up with another short term plan, where we turn over a load of players and staff into a new philosophy, for it not to work and we are in a similar predicament in League One as we have been in recent seasons.

Hopefully some positive movement on staff on the bench and around the club, a few signings and we can hit the ground running come August.

This is broadly where I am at. NJ would have been fun. But we need to rebuild the club in the right way. And we need to build on the single success story of the last few years which is the academy. Ramsey knows what wrong with the club, the squad and with individual players. He has worked within an environment of excellence so he knows what good looks like. If it is Rambo I'm happy.

[the other bob wilson]

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Certainly looking like today is going to be the day. Very rare I disagree with Welshlad, but, if it is Ramsey, the last six weeks and more seems to have been a waste of time and money.

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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This is Cardiff City, things can change quickly :hehe:, but I would be surprised if it doesn't happen.

Yeah, he will have had the assurances to take the job. There was chat elsewhere that Choo had gone in with a derisory wage offer, that wasn't the case. However, reading between the lines, it's been a drawn out process to get to a position where everyone is happy.

I think it's been said elsewhere that VT must trust Ramsey, to give any concession to things like a restructure of staff. I think this is true. I would like to think they wouldn't promise things just to let him down, I would hope VT has that trust and respect in Ramsey.

Seriously, I think anything was a risk. We're a basket case, the options out there were a proper mixed bag. We could spend a fortune on Jones, who's a known hothead. Buckingham could potentially get eaten up by the size of the club (I know we are in League One, but the noise around us is surely much different to Oxford!). Evatt had big clashes with fans at Bolton. Or we could abroad and end up with another short term plan, where we turn over a load of players and staff into a new philosophy, for it not to work and we are in a similar predicament in League One as we have been in recent seasons.

Hopefully some positive movement on staff on the bench and around the club, a few signings and we can hit the ground running come August.

Thanks for this, I see where your coming from. Do you know if there was a genuine attempt for Jones having had the word he could be tempted or was it more a last ditch Hail Mary attempt that has made the club look a bit desperate as he quickly shuts it down?

[ccfcwelshlad]

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Certainly looking like today is going to be the day. Very rare I disagree with Welshlad, but, if it is Ramsey, the last six weeks and more seems to have been a waste of time and money.

I mentioned above it shouldn't have taken this long Bob, but I think they had to explore options. It sounds like he really impressed at interview and was the unanimous choice. I think if Ramsey hadn't been so demanding for change it probably wouldn't have taken as long as it has, I'm not sure it would've even got to the Nathan Jones interaction. Thats probably helped get things over the line in truth, with the sorts of ££ involved in compensation being put to better use to help realign the structure.

Time will tell and I saw someone on Twitter say that they don't believe Ramsey will let the club down and let's just hope the club don't let him down. It's up to the club to now deliver whatever they've promised him.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Certainly looking like today is going to be the day. Very rare I disagree with Welshlad, but, if it is Ramsey, the last six weeks and more seems to have been a waste of time and money.

Isn't it ! Countries form governments quicker.

I'm disappointed if it's Ramsey. The club needs to return to the Championship before they become stuck in league 1, and I cannot see him advocating any other style of football than that which he's played for most of his career, a route I feel will just give us more endless, slow passing and meticulous build ups, which had little effect on Championship defences and will have even less effect in league 1. I don't get the Ramsey love-in. He's barely completed 7 full matches since his 'return', and for some unfathomable reason when the club has the opportunity to go for experience, they seem to be going straight back to inexperience..

[MOZZER2]

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we can hit the ground running come August.[/QUOTE]

Think we've missed the boat about hitting the ground running come August

Just like last year where we dragged the Bulut situation far too long hence the players we signed were signed too late and we weren't hitting the ground running last August . Top of my head Players like El Ghazi and Chambers weren't ready at the time

Whoever comes in will be a tough ask to get fully prepared for the first week of August . No doubt we will be scrambling for players mid to late July again in the transfer window unless Ramsey has been using his power behind the scenes already in tapping up players whether he gets the role or not

[the other bob wilson]

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Isn't it ! Countries form governments quicker.

I'm disappointed if it's Ramsey. The club needs to return to the Championship before they become stuck in league 1, and I cannot see him advocating any other style of football than that which he's played for most of his career, a route I feel will just give us more endless, slow passing and meticulous build ups, which had little effect on Championship defences and will have even less effect in league 1. I don't get the Ramsey love-in. He's barely completed 7 full matches since his 'return', and for some unfathomable reason when the club has the opportunity to go for experience, they seem to be going straight back to inexperience..

Apparently, young, inexperienced managers have done well in League 1 in recent seasons when it comes to winning the league and so that's another reason why I'm more optimistic about him than you. I've said before I've no clue as to how Ramsey will do as a manager, but I like that him getting the job should mean we we get at least some of the support staff with football knowledge that we've needed for years.

That said, I do wonder if Ramsey will address the mental issues which made us easy to beat last season - for me, we felt sorry for ourselves when things were going badly, heads dropped too quickly and we were not hard enough physically or mentally. The squad has to address the notion that they're a bunch of bottlers head on and I'm not sure Ramsey would be the manager to bring that about.