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[J R Hartley]

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Any signing that we actually pay money for has to be first team material in the current situation at our club. You’d never buy anything for your house that was more expensive than any other appliance you’ve got, then lend it to your next door neighbour to see if it improves things in their house before deciding whether to have it back.

Exactly. It wasn’t long ago we were under a transfer embargo. Clubs in our position shouldn’t be spending a million pound on a player and never given them a chance ffs. As Des says, it’s utter incompetence. The recruitment under the Tan regime has been a shambles for years.

[Jamsarnie]

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The loan includes an obligation to buy...

Even this is a bit hasty and ill thought out. Simic signed his four year Cardiff City contract in August 2024 which means his wage costs can be excluded from the financial fair play calculations in League 1.

Let's say he has a decent season on loan at Karlsruher and Cardiff fail to get promoted, we'll be ruing the fact we sold him whilst no doubt still including Kion Etete's wages in the FFP submission/s.

I'd be waiting until the season is over before making a call on a permanent transfer. Then again, this is Cardiff City.

[Rjk]

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Even this is a bit hasty and ill thought out. Simic signed his four year Cardiff City contract in August 2024 which means his wage costs can be excluded from the financial fair play calculations in League 1.

Let's say he has a decent season on loan at Karlsruher and Cardiff fail to get promoted, we'll be ruing the fact we sold him whilst no doubt still including Kion Etete's wages in the FFP submission/s.

I'd be waiting until the season is over before making a call on a permanent transfer. Then again, this is Cardiff City.

we don't know for sure what's in the loan contract, I've seen it reported as an "obligation to buy" and also an "option to buy" both by itk twitter accounts that I wouldn't trust to tell me the weather outside the window.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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it's not crazy, it's an entirely valid approach, plenty of other clubs do it.
Hasnt worked out for us yet, but that doesn't mean it won't.

Name on Champ club that's spent 2.5m on a striker that wasn't ready, that's come off.

It is lunacy to spend that much on a striker that they knew wasn't ready. It should be a sackable offence for Deboys, it seems he has a promotion

[Rjk]

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Name on Champ club that's spent 2.5m on a striker that wasn't ready, that's come off.

It is lunacy to spend that much on a striker that they knew wasn't ready. It should be a sackable offence for Deboys, it seems he has a promotion

you're obsessed with deboys :hehe: I think 90% of the time he's been mentioned on here it's in your posts.
in reality we don't know what's going on inside the club and where to apportion blame/credit for any signings.

as for Simic we bought him for €2m so what £1.75m? and the club obviously thought he had potential to increase in value. if we end up getting that much from the German club from a loan fee and future transfer fee then it would hardly have been a disaster. even if we end up eating a modest loss it's worth the gamble from time to time for the time that it comes off and you make a lot of money.

I'm not saying it's been a successful move btw it's more like a side investment that hasn't delivered any return yet. he was clearly never in our plans for the first team for this season.

[splott parker]

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you're obsessed with deboys :hehe: I think 90% of the time he's been mentioned on here it's in your posts.
in reality we don't know what's going on inside the club and where to apportion blame/credit for any signings.

as for Simic we bought him for €2m so what £1.75m? and the club obviously thought he had potential to increase in value. if we end up getting that much from the German club from a loan fee and future transfer fee then it would hardly have been a disaster. even if we end up eating a modest loss it's worth the gamble from time to time for the time that it comes off and you make a lot of money.

I'm not saying it's been a successful move btw it's more like a side investment that hasn't delivered any return yet. he was clearly never in our plans for the first team for this season.

Your last paragraph sums it up though, doesn’t it. Us, spending that type of fee, the player has to be in the first team plans as soon as the ink is dry on the contract.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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you're obsessed with deboys :hehe: I think 90% of the time he's been mentioned on here it's in your posts.
in reality we don't know what's going on inside the club and where to apportion blame/credit for any signings.

as for Simic we bought him for €2m so what £1.75m? and the club obviously thought he had potential to increase in value. if we end up getting that much from the German club from a loan fee and future transfer fee then it would hardly have been a disaster. even if we end up eating a modest loss it's worth the gamble from time to time for the time that it comes off and you make a lot of money.

I'm not saying it's been a successful move btw it's more like a side investment that hasn't delivered any return yet. he was clearly never in our plans for the first team for this season.

He's quite happy to take praise

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-rip-up-transfer-31115935

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Your last paragraph sums it up though, doesn’t it. Us, spending that type of fee, the player has to be in the first team plans as soon as the ink is dry on the contract.

Bingo, you can't spend millions on a player that isn't ready when we had so many holes to fill

[Bobby Dandruff]

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The strangest signing I think we’ve ever made. What a waste of money.

21st century Godfrey Ingram.

Very, very odd.

[the other bob wilson]

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We went inti the summer transfer window last year with everyone and their dog saying we had to buy a striker. We ended up buying one (who the manager at the time knew little or nothing about as he described it as a “club signing”) for a seven figure fee and promptly loaned him out to our owner’s other club where he barely featured. Someone mentioned the strange case of Godfrey Ingram back in 82/83, but at least he scored three first team goals in the six weeks or so he was with us - Simic has to be the oddest signing we’ve made in the time I’ve been supporting the club and probably for the whole of our existence and, with Erol Bulut washing his hands of the matter, all of those involved in this signing are still with the club and playing a part in our recruitment plans!

Two months ago, everyone it seemed bar one person was in agreement that the club was desperately in need of major structural changes, yet all we’ve seen is the appointment of yet another manager/head coach. To be fair, there are those who think Brian Barry-Murphy is a shrewd appointment, but he has an enormous task because we’re still a Tan knows best club with all of the huge drawbacks that brings - if you told someone pretty well acquainted with EFL about the Rocco Simic transfer and asked them to guess the buying club, I guarantee that Cardiff would be one of the first three guesses they’d make - Omer Rica used to claim Yousef Salech was his signing and I for one believed him because Tan, Dalman, Choo, Deboys etc would never have found him.

[Mr Ducie]

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The loan includes an obligation to buy so it’s unlikely to turn a profit as how he does this season is largely irrelevant. We may have put down caveats on the fee depending on how he does this season but this is Cardiff City so I’d guess thats was most unlikely. After the season he had last year it’s more likely to be another loss.

You’re talking like we are a premier league club with cash to burn and can just make signings with no intention of using them in our first team in the hope they will come good in the future and turn a profit.

We are a club that’s making losses year on year, who don’t spend a lot on transfer fees and so if we are going to be making 7 figure sum signings I don’t think it’s unfair for fans to expect these players to be ready for our first team, not some fanciful “investment” hope that we bugger off to Belgium and we keep burning our fingers on time and time again,

I’ve heard the loan fee is substantially higher than what you would call poor business.

The option to buy would clear what we have currently paid ( €2m fee was based on significant add ons ) and give the club a nice profit.

Thankfully it’s not my business but this transfer makes a good chatter on social media.

[the other bob wilson]

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I’ve heard the loan fee is substantially higher than what you would call poor business.

The option to buy would clear what we have currently paid ( €2m fee was based on significant add ons ) and give the club a nice profit.

Thankfully it’s not my business but this transfer makes a good chatter on social media.

I find it very hard to believe we're going to make a profit on Simic, but, if we are then. credit to the club, as it will be a very rare case of them clearing up a mess of their own making.

[J R Hartley]

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I’ve heard the loan fee is substantially higher than what you would call poor business.

The option to buy would clear what we have currently paid ( €2m fee was based on significant add ons ) and give the club a nice profit.

Thankfully it’s not my business but this transfer makes a good chatter on social media.

Sounds like the sort of rubbish that Dalman would feed Abbondanto. I’m sorry, but I don’t believe for one second we are making profit on a years long loan compared to what we signed him permanently for.

[Rjk]

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Sounds like the sort of rubbish that Dalman would feed Abbondanto. I’m sorry, but I don’t believe for one second we are making profit on a years long loan compared to what we signed him permanently for.

profit would be if he moves there permanently

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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Even if we do make a profit, we really needed a striker last season. That's what they should have spent their money on. We might even have stayed up and not taken the hit in revenue!