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  • #16
    Re: tenants in common ??

    Originally posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    It's very difficult to disagree with your sentiment, old fruit.
    i fully agree with tit on this

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    • #17
      Re: tenants in common ??

      So , if you are left a property with, say, your siblings , are you tenants in common ?

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      • #18
        Re: tenants in common ??

        Originally posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
        So , if you are left a property with, say, your siblings , are you tenants in common ?
        jimmy i wish i could answer this so much

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        • #19
          Re: tenants in common ??

          Originally posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
          So , if you are left a property with, say, your siblings , are you tenants in common ?
          Yes, this would usually be the way that it's owned. If you're not sure then you can check out the ownership status on the Land Reigstry for £3. If it's Tenants In Common then there will be wording on the title.

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          • #20
            Re: tenants in common ??

            Originally posted by BLUETIT View Post
            I think you may be wide of the mark here.

            This is what "Tenants in Common", actually stops happening.

            Say one party goes into a care home, then the oyher party can still reside in the house, with no worries.

            This is what it protects
            Not the case. It's not the act of Tenants in Common that will potentially protect the home, it's who the other owner is and the terms upon which they own it. Having said that, a property can only be forcibly sold against the wishes of the other party with a court order.

            If one partner of a couple needs to go into a home, then regardless of how it's owned (or even who it's owned by) the other partner can continue living in the home without worries (assuming they are over 60).

            The problem is if one partner dies, and the surviving partner then owns the house solely (which will always happen if the home is owner jointly, or even if t-in-c and the Will directs it to the surviving partner).

            This is game over if the surviving partner then needs to go into a care home as they then own the home solely, and don't have the protection of someone over 60 still living there (which means that the local authority must ignore the value of the home).

            The most common solution (and one I usually put in place for my clients) is to set up a Trust within the Will. This means that on the death of Partner 1, their share goes in Trust for the children but there is clear wording that the partner can continue benefiting from the house (ie living there rent free). This means that if the surviving partner needs to go into care, then they only own half a house and the other half has a legal Trust deed that confirms that the only person who can benefit from it, is themselves.

            In this situation, as there is a Trust deed, then the home cannot be forcibly sold (unless the courts over-ruled the Trust, which would be incredibly unusual), and the home is ring-fenced and protected for the family unless they can find someone who's willing to buy half a house!

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            • #21
              Re: tenants in common ??

              Originally posted by Re-sign Carl Dale View Post
              Not the case. It's not the act of Tenants in Common that will potentially protect the home, it's who the other owner is and the terms upon which they own it. Having said that, a property can only be forcibly sold against the wishes of the other party with a court order.

              If one partner of a couple needs to go into a home, then regardless of how it's owned (or even who it's owned by) the other partner can continue living in the home without worries (assuming they are over 60).

              The problem is if one partner dies, and the surviving partner then owns the house solely (which will always happen if the home is owner jointly, or even if t-in-c and the Will directs it to the surviving partner).

              This is game over if the surviving partner then needs to go into a care home as they then own the home solely, and don't have the protection of someone over 60 still living there (which means that the local authority must ignore the value of the home).

              The most common solution (and one I usually put in place for my clients) is to set up a Trust within the Will. This means that on the death of Partner 1, their share goes in Trust for the children but there is clear wording that the partner can continue benefiting from the house (ie living there rent free). This means that if the surviving partner needs to go into care, then they only own half a house and the other half has a legal Trust deed that confirms that the only person who can benefit from it, is themselves.

              In this situation, as there is a Trust deed, then the home cannot be forcibly sold (unless the courts over-ruled the Trust, which would be incredibly unusual), and the home is ring-fenced and protected for the family unless they can find someone who's willing to buy half a house!
              That's what I said in 20 words, rather than 2000

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              • #22
                Re: tenants in common ??

                Originally posted by BLUETIT View Post
                That's what I said in 20 words, rather than 2000
                Completely the opposite of what you said if we're being picky! You suggested that I was 'wide of the mark', and that tenants in common allows one person to continue living in their home if their partner is in a care home. This is not the case as the house would never be vulnerable in this scenario.

                Saying that having tenants in common protects the house is like saying that a football can win the FA Cup.

                ...and yes, I am having a bad day

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                • #23
                  Re: tenants in common ??

                  Originally posted by Re-sign Carl Dale View Post
                  Yes, this would usually be the way that it's owned. If you're not sure then you can check out the ownership status on the Land Reigstry for £3. If it's Tenants In Common then there will be wording on the title.
                  cheers buttyand thanks for all answers

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