Palestine Israel

[life on mars]

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Anyways where's the marches and outrage around the many thousands of deaths Turkey has delivered on the Kurds in Northern Iraq many innocents dead . 20k alledgly, not sure if anyone is counting ?

Or do we only raise outrage around certain politically motivated issues.

Media is almost silent as are the far left.

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Because so many people on this board are preoccupied with Israel and conveniently forget that so many of its inhabitants are direct descendants/relatives of murdered Jews from the Nazi era. Many of the survivors of this era were refugees who managed to reach Israel.

You know that a lot of these people who have parachuted into the state of Israel are landing in settlements that were stolen from Arab people ? And its still happening . If I was an Arab I would throw a rock .

[Eric Cartman]

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Anyways where's the marches and outrage around the many thousands of deaths Turkey has delivered on the Kurds in Northern Iraq many innocents dead . 20k alledgly, not sure if anyone is counting ?

Or do we only raise outrage around certain politically motivated issues.

Media is almost silent as are the far left.

A quick search of Google will show that the only publication relentlessly covering what is happening to the Kurds is the morning star and the only people willing to talk about it are from the left.

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Why don’t you all discuss other current civil wars, many of which are taking place in many parts of the world? Just look at the numbers being killed elsewhere which are far heavier than the subject conflict.

Also, the numbers killed by Hamas are misleading as they have attempted to kill far more Israelis than they have succeeded in doing - just look at the number of missiles they have launched against Israel!

If you are fighting a giant , backed by other giants ......Israel and America ......then fireworks even hundreds of home made rockets , most of which don't make it , blow up those firing them or get shot down .........and you are faced by a huge , armoured , military force ......occupying a place you used to live then I think its fair enough to have a go

I would

[chrisp_1927]

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The actions of the settlers in the new settlements, and the actions in sheikh Jarrah were an absolute disgrace. The ultra right wing, enabled by Netanyahu are guilty of breaking international law and should be punished.

But I cringe when I see some of the outright condemnations of Israels existence, the idea that it was 'thrust' into Arab land. Lots of countries were created around that time in that area, their neighbours Jordan being one of them, Saudi Arabia another.

The ottoman empire had encompassed a massive area and its breakup was always going to lead to change.

I'm not defending all of Israels actions towards the Palestinians. Lots of them have been horrendous, and as a powerful democratic country Israel should act better. But the overwhelming hostility and aggression has always been towards Israel from its neighbours .

In terms of the current conflict, the actions of the settlers in Jerusalem were a disgrace. But the general consensus was that the Israeli High Court were probably going to throw the settlers claims out. For Hamas to launch 300 rockets at civilians as 'retaliation ' , is bloodthirsty terrorism at its finest. Some of the targets Israel has bombed in Gaza also mean they deserve contempt.

After the Trump administration enabled the very worst desires of the extreme Israeli right wing. I suppose it was always inevitable that something would happen early on in Bidens term. It suits the agenda of Hamas and the extreme right in Israel to know where Biden stands, so they know how far they can push their agenda. We need to see an end of Hamas and Netanyahu, hopefully this will happen soon

[life on mars]

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A quick search of Google will show that the only publication relentlessly covering what is happening to the Kurds is the morning star and the only people willing to talk about it are from the left.

I'll keep an eye out for the same outpouring, banners ,marches as it's been going on for years with many more dead.

[delmbox]

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Anyways where's the marches and outrage around the many thousands of deaths Turkey has delivered on the Kurds in Northern Iraq many innocents dead . 20k alledgly, not sure if anyone is counting ?

Or do we only raise outrage around certain politically motivated issues.

Media is almost silent as are the far left.

Crack on with organizing a march mate, you'll have plenty of experience after the marches you organized during the BLM protests because you were so upset that the people who started those protests weren't protesting about everything else that's bad in the world.

Stanmore Bluebird will join you on it, he's got strong opinions about the perceived lack of empathy for conflicts other than Israel/Palestine as well

You could call it the whatabout whatabout march, good on you both, I hope it goes well

[surge]

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Anti-Semitism is horrific and should be called out. That includes Spurs fans claim to support and defend Jewish culture.

There are other atrocities that also deserve attention. I maintain that the history of the Jewish people in Europe - the horrific way they were treated, the historical involvement of the UK in setting up Israel and UK's close allies in America having such such a relationship with Israel makes this feel closer to home than most.

Israel has enemies which have violent intent and if balance of technology and wealth was reversed this thread could easily be more about the oppression of Israel instead, and it's the oppression most of us care about rather than the flags. These enemies should be acknowledged but intent isn't always more important than actions.

Earlier in this thread we thought that people living in Gaza couldn't leave even if they wanted to. Their facilities are being destroyed, so many innocent people are dying just because of where they're born and in a little while when ceasefire is in place and world's attention turns away again the Israeli government will continue to put Palestine under oppressive conditions and seemingly seek to expand it's land mass at the cost of others. That bit matters much more than any distraction tactic.

[Stanmore Bluebird]

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On a much lighter note, I remember Alf Garnett discussing the thread subject. He claimed the Arabs lived in peace in Palestine until the Jews relocated there in bulk after 1948 when they arrived with their fancy cars, big houses, beautiful clothes, expensive art etc etc. All this he reckoned made the Israeli opposition jealous!!

I don’t mean to disrespect the topic but thought I’d throw this in.

Without wishing to be disparaging, my opinion is that we have displayed much maturity and fairness on this thread whatsoever our individual views. It has been a thoroughly grown-up discussion.

[blue matt]

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israel have agreed a ceasefire great news indeed

they just need to unload a few tonnes of missiles from the laden F16's safer to launch them rather than handle them on runways i hear

[Gofer Blue]

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BBC news says that both Israel and Hamas are "declaring victory". The words joke and sick come to mind. Another generation being raised to hate more like.

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BBC news says that both Israel and Hamas are "declaring victory". The words joke and sick come to mind. Another generation being raised to hate more like.

Ain't that the truth

[goats]

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BBC news says that both Israel and Hamas are "declaring victory". The words joke and sick come to mind. Another generation being raised to hate more like.

Bizarre to issue such statements...

[bigjoe]

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USA has been an Israel "supporter" but there seems to be a demographic shift there, especially for the Democrats. Biden could become less vociferous though I suppose his "every country has a right to defend itself" might be to avoid the USA of being accused of hypocrisy when they bomb somebody. The Republicans might become less supportive of Israel as well as the Bibi/Trump love-in didn't seem to translate into worthwhile extra Jewish votes.

[life on mars]

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israel have agreed a ceasefire great news indeed

they just need to unload a few tonnes of missiles from the laden F16's safer to launch them rather than handle them on runways i hear

250 million pounds worth of tunnels destroyed I guess , wonder how many schools and hospitals that would have built ?