Justice for the 96...

[William Treseder]

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How many were crushed to death in the tunnel ?
Can you show me where you got this from?

[blue matt]

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Of course they died because of the fences.If they weren’t there, they would have survived. The combination of police mistakes, fans trying to get in without tickets, and the presence of fences, was the lethal cocktail.
Some folk just wont accept that fact.
The police trying to cover up the part they played is and was disgraceful, but they were not alone in the blame department.

We know the police made mistakes, and they wrongly attempted to cover them up

Lets not forget the Liverpool fans knew that if they arrived en masse ( with or without tickets ) over loaded the turnstiles the Police would open the gates to let them all in ( the Liverpool fans were well known for it, yes other teams had done in, i know we did at Hereford in the early 90's, they just opened the emergency gates and we filled the front paddock )

any death at football is one too many, the time for Justice is gone, the police who made the decisions are now a long time gone, of course they want justice and deserve it, but what does justice look like now ? ? ?

[xsnaggle]

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there is always one

I said there are people out there who despite the evidence still blame the fans and here comes along one

You are talking about the behaviour of football fans

Do you know anything about the behaviour of Cardiff City fans in the last 40 years ?

I have seen disorder from our clubs fans in this country and in Europe

If the fences hadn't been in place for many of our games in the past then there would have been riots

As a club we were at the forefront of violence for many years and if you are going to shame Liverpool for Hillsborough.......which didn't involve violence and intimidation ......then you need to shame Cardiff , Chelsea , Wolves , Leeds , Millwall , Stoke , West Ham , Spurs , Birmingham City , Portsmouth and lots of other football clubs

Leeds were rioting in 1974 in Europe , big time , luckily nobody was killed

This is one of the most self-contradictory posts I've seen in while even from you.
you begin by saying it was not the fans fault and then go on to demonstrate how the behaviour of fans all over UK was a precursor to the undoubted tragedy Make your mind up.

[Jordi Culé]

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/26/hillsborough-disaster-deadly-mistakes-and-lies-that-lasted-decades

I’ll leave this here.

[the other bob wilson]

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The "time to move on" line is a particularly feeble argument whenever it is applied, whether it be Tories trying to brush what happened last year with Covid under the carpet or the same old names on here who have trouble accepting that the Sun's version of events that afternoon has been proved to be palpably untrue.

[William Treseder]

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The "time to move on" line is a particularly feeble argument whenever it is applied, whether it be Tories trying to brush what happened last year with Covid under the carpet or the same old names on here who have trouble accepting that the Sun's version of events that afternoon has been proved to be palpably untrue.

“The same old names on here” is also a particular feeble line.
I don’t think anyone i’ve ever spoke to about this has denied that the police made mistakes and disgustingly tried to lie their way out of it. Thats a given.
What annoys me is that nobody seems willing to take into account that there were Liverpool fans without tickets who ran in, and the fact that the fences would not have needed to be up if it wasn’t for the disgusting behaviour of thousands of hooligan scum around in that era.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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https://www.theguardian.com/football...lasted-decades

I’ll leave this here.

Well if the copper in charge that day admitted his serious failures led DIRECTLY to the deaths of 96 fans and the disability and long term health problems of hundreds of others thats a fair cop , as they say

A lack of special trains that day , poor planning by the police , poor communication between the emergency services , Liverpool fans being given the smaller end despite having huge support etc

Yet football fans of a certain type cannot let go of this yeah but what about the ticket less fans nonsense which was dismissed out of hand as untrue by justice Taylor

I don't know why they persist with such ill informed and incorrect opinion

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Of course they died because of the fences.If they weren’t there, they would have survived. The combination of police mistakes, fans trying to get in without tickets, and the presence of fences, was the lethal cocktail.
Some folk just wont accept that fact.
The police trying to cover up the part they played is and was disgraceful, but they were not alone in the blame department.

Well the fact is lord justice Taylor dismissed the fans turning up without tickets argument as totally untrue and laid the blame fairly and squarely on the police and the football authorities

He was a high court judge

I know who my money is on

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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We know the police made mistakes, and they wrongly attempted to cover them up

Lets not forget the Liverpool fans knew that if they arrived en masse ( with or without tickets ) over loaded the turnstiles the Police would open the gates to let them all in ( the Liverpool fans were well known for it, yes other teams had done in, i know we did at Hereford in the early 90's, they just opened the emergency gates and we filled the front paddock )

any death at football is one too many, the time for Justice is gone, the police who made the decisions are now a long time gone, of course they want justice and deserve it, but what does justice look like now ? ? ?

horse shit

The Taylor report dismissed the claim by the police that ticketless Liverpool fans were to blame as totally without foundation

The time for justice for you might be gone but for the relatives of the dead and seriously injured it may never end and I think that's for them to decide

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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How many were crushed to death in the tunnel ?
Can you show me where you got this from?

The Taylor Report

Fans died in the tunnel in the suge to get in , fans died in the entrance to the leppings lane and fans died in the enclosure .

The horrific photos of people up against the fences was only part of the disaster

My mate who was seriously injured was passed over the crowd to the emergency services and was nowhere near the fences

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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This is one of the most self-contradictory posts I've seen in while even from you.
you begin by saying it was not the fans fault and then go on to demonstrate how the behaviour of fans all over UK was a precursor to the undoubted tragedy Make your mind up.

the behaviour of Liverpool fans on the day of the Hillsborough disaster , argued by people to be a cause of the disaster .....pissed up , no tickets , arriving late etc ........was found by lord justice Taylor to be incorrect

Yet still , with an agenda , some still go on about it

Was the behaviour of football fans in the seventies and eighties bad 👎......of course

Did the behaviour of Liverpool fans on that day cause the disaster ?

Not according to a Judicial enquiry

[Hilts]

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I believe there had been an issue involving Spurs fans in the 81 semi at the same end and I think a turnstile opened then. This time only injuries including broken bones.

A major police cover up probably instigated at the highest level.

[the other bob wilson]

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“The same old names on here” is also a particular feeble line.
I don’t think anyone i’ve ever spoke to about this has denied that the police made mistakes and disgustingly tried to lie their way out of it. Thats a given.
What annoys me is that nobody seems willing to take into account that there were Liverpool fans without tickets who ran in, and the fact that the fences would not have needed to be up if it wasn’t for the disgusting behaviour of thousands of hooligan scum around in that era.

I said the same old names because that’s what it is. Whenever the subject of Hillsborough comes up on here, there’s always a few who have to have a dig at the Liverpool fans - if you’re talking four years earlier at Heysel, there’s plenty of evidence to suggest Liverpool fans were culpable there, but what convincing evidence is there that the same applies at Hillsborough? For some, the line seems to be that they were guilty at Heysel,so they must have done something wrong at Hillsborough.

As for fences, yes it’s an indictment on so many who went to games in the seventies that it came to a situation when fences were needed, but they’d been a part of the game for more than a decade when the tragedy at Hillsborough occurred which only makes the decisions made by those in charge that day even worse.

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

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my mate was squashed at Hillsborough..made a statement to the police..months later he saw his statement..it had been changed.. by the police..

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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my mate was squashed at Hillsborough..made a statement to the police..months later he saw his statement..it had been changed.. by the police..

The police wouldn't do that .......