Cardiff Airport

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First Minister Mark Drakeford also scrapped the proposed £1.6 billion M4 Relief Road in 2019, ultimately wasting approximately £135 million to £157 million of public funds on aborted planning, public inquiries, and compulsory land and property purchases.

They don't care about this sort of thing, it's labour. Farage's pot of gold is where the real conversation is at!

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Needs budget flights to different parts of Europe to really get it going. One day maybe

Ryanair are doing four routes from Cardiff at the moment, think it's Malaga, Alicante, Faro and Dublin. Nothing big or even close to Bristol, but there was a time when Ryanair were saying that they wouldn't deal with Cardiff as the taxes were way too high for landing, taking off etc. Small steps and all that. We need an Airport in this country. Hopefully it can thrive over the next few years or so.

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They don't care about this sort of thing, it's labour. Farage's pot of gold is where the real conversation is at!

I don't really want to get into this stuff, but how else is a government, business etc supposed to find out if they believe that a project is viable. Climb up a tree and survey the lay of the land or send a few kids down to a local pond with a net and bucket to see what rare species they can pull out. These things cost money, and no doubt plenty of Welsh businesses did alright out of the money spent by the Welsh Government. Whether or not people think it a good idea to build the M4 relief road is another matter. I would like to see more freight on the railway system and innovative cheap, incentivised ways of getting people to use their cars less.

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10.83 mill official 2025 figures.

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I don't really want to get into this stuff, but how else is a government, business etc supposed to find out if they believe that a project is viable. Climb up a tree and survey the lay of the land or send a few kids down to a local pond with a net and bucket to see what rare species they can pull out. These things cost money, and no doubt plenty of Welsh businesses did alright out of the money spent by the Welsh Government. Whether or not people think it a good idea to build the M4 relief road is another matter. I would like to see more freight on the railway system and innovative cheap, incentivised ways of getting people to use their cars less.

You really think they needed to use £150 million to determine if it was viable or needed?

Easy come easy go.

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A round of Applause for Mark Drakeford is order.Money well spent.

Planes would be trying to take off at twenty if he was still in power

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I don’t think as usual you have thought this through.

Cardiff Airport is not profitable in conventional terms and consistently reports pre-tax financial losses. While the airport records positive EBITDA in some periods, this excludes substantial costs like depreciation and relies on multi-million pound government grants and subsidies.

The airport's financial performance can be understood via the following details:Operating Results: In its last reported financial year, the airport posted an EBITDA of £5.7m. However, when factoring in an £11.8m Welsh Government post-Covid recovery grant, this performance slipped into a deficit.Pre-Tax Losses: The airport continues to accumulate pre-tax losses, totaling around £60m since its acquisition, even after utilizing millions in government subsidies.Government Investment:

Wholly owned by the Welsh Government, the facility has absorbed substantial taxpayer funding. A £205 million subsidy package was legally secured to support operations and secure the travel hub's future.

Bristol has 17m passengers per annum.

First Minister Mark Drakeford also scrapped the proposed £1.6 billion M4 Relief Road in 2019, ultimately wasting approximately £135 million to £157 million of public funds on aborted planning, public inquiries, and compulsory land and property purchases.

They're thick as pig shit, if they think it's a success

It's got no competition; Bristol is an absolute shitehole of an airport, and Heathrow is miles away. It can't fail to grow, although they've done an amazing job of fecking it up so far, to be fair to them.

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You really think they needed to use £150 million to determine if it was viable or needed?

Easy come easy go.

I have no idea how much these things cost to evaluate, over how long a period, the environmental factors involved, etc. Unless we can see a basic breakdown of costs etc, then i have no idea what to think. In simplistic terms, 150 million quid to determine that a project isn't viable seems like a big fat waste of money, who wouldn't think that, without any kind of break down or knowledge on how these things are carried out.

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They're thick as pig shit, if they think it's a success

It's got no competition; Bristol is an absolute shitehole of an airport, and Heathrow is miles away. It can't fail to grow, although they've done an amazing job of fecking it up so far, to be fair to them.

Bristol Airport is being updated and improved continually and isn't a bad regional airport at all. It's the access to it that is the major problem.

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Bristol Airport is being updated and improved continually and isn't a bad regional airport at all. It's the access to it that is the major problem.

Build a decent road to it then, and a rail network

Oh, I forgot they couldn't even build a decent road to England.

Let's piss about with lowering speeds and building cycle tracks for the four Welsh cyclists.

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Wales is the only devolved Country in the UK where Airport Passenger Duty is not within its powers to control. It was not allowed by Westminster because its findings concluded that Bristol Airport would be adversely affected by the competition afforded by Cardiff Airport. This result after continuous lobbying by West Country Tory MPs such as Rees Mogg. Northern Ireland and Scotland have these devolved powers.
Apart from this Cardiff Airport has significant advantages over Bristol in that it has a far longer runway which can take the biggest jets in service. Bristol is unable to extend its runway due to topography. Moreover because of its low lying position Bristol is prone to fog and mist. The prospects for increasing especially cargo traffic seem very favourable notwithstanding long haul passenger traffic.
Let’s hope the new government in Cardiff is not so pusillanimous in its dealings with Westminster as the previous ones.

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Bristol airport is a right pain in the arse, it has more traffic than it can handle in my opinion. It’s a marathon walk to boarding gates, no travelators (moving walkways), bit daft after all what’s been spent on it. Same coming home, bloody chaos if a few flights are in at the same time. Getting there is a lottery, a huge sigh of relief if you make it through the Bryn Glas tunnels (not the airport’s fault admittedly but it’s still part of the journey), the CAZ thing and the worst thing is driving back from a late flight and there’s bollards closing the motorway approach after the Portway. Fur coat and no knickers. Don’t know the answer but Cardiff has to be encouraged & used.

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Cardiff Airport officially determined by the CAA to be the second fastest growing airport in the UK!

Hell yeah! Well done Mark

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Don't get me started, Drakeford is a complete fing clown and incompetent c**t

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Don't get me started, Drakeford is a complete fing clown and incompetent c**t

He's the best thing to ever happen to this Country, Better than Tom Jones, May Boyce and even Shaky.