Arise Sir Lewis

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Interesting snippet on the back of yesterday's Michael Sheen story on some of the people who have handed back their 'honours':

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/dec/29/michael-sheen-gave-back-obe-to-air-views-on-royal-family

He joins a list of prominent figures who have returned or refused honours, including the musicians John Lennon, Paul Weller and David Bowie; the actors Jim Broadbent, Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders; the poet Benjamin Zephaniah, the playwright Alan Bennett and the celebrity chef Nigella Lawson.

Nigella Lawson was a surprise! But no prominent political donors handing back their knighthoods (damehoods) or seats in the Lords?

Public recognition of ordinary people who devote their lives to doing good is fine - but we still (despite some recent improvements) have got a system of nomination and award that is obscure, clumsy and often corrupt (gongs for the PM's backers) and award titles that are anachronistic and offensive.

I read something about the Michael Sheen situation. He said that he educated himself about the history of the family and then returned the award. Which sounds a bit fishy to me. You don't exactly need a high level of education to know that Wales has been oppressed by the English monarchy throughout history.

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I don't think they announce who's turned them down until a while after. I think I'm right in saying that LS Lowry holds the record in turning down the most "honours". This is what Ballard had to say when he turned his down and I think he pretty much nails it: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ec/22/uk.books

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This. I can't believe more people don't turn them down. I find it especially cringe-worthy when Welsh, Scottish and Irish people accept them.

Wouldn’t you find it worse if they all went to English people?
A lot of Celts remain loyal or indifferent to the notion of a United Kingdom but still do what they do. Why shouldn’t they be recognised for it?

[Divine Wright]

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Outdated idea bowing to royalty.
Loada bollox

Seconded.

No place for this on a Cardiff City Football forum IMO.

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Where's he living at the moment? Monaco for the climate or Switzerland for the scenery?

I'd imagine wherever the hell he wants, and more power to him

[Tuerto]

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I'd imagine wherever the hell he wants, and more power to him

He could live in a country where he pays Income Tax. But more power to him.

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He could live in a country where he pays Income Tax. But more power to him.

He pays income tax in 9 separate countries and out of a nation of 60 million here he's in the top 5000 highest income tax payers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54965544

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He pays income tax in 9 separate countries and out of a nation of 60 million here he's in the top 5000 highest income tax payers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54965544

That's 9 separate personal allowances - clever accounting.
He may be paying a lot of tax, but is it the right amount?

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That's 9 separate personal allowances - clever accounting.
He may be paying a lot of tax, but is it the right amount?

I've just tweeted him to confirm that, should have an answer within the hour

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He pays income tax in 9 separate countries and out of a nation of 60 million here he's in the top 5000 highest income tax payers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54965544

There is an all party parliamentary group on formula 1? I thought that was a joke at first when I read that.

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Wouldn’t you find it worse if they all went to English people?
A lot of Celts remain loyal or indifferent to the notion of a United Kingdom but still do what they do. Why shouldn’t they be recognised for it?

Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own governments that could honour their citizens.

I have no problem with people from the Celtic nations being recognised. I just think it's weird that they would accept an award from I institution that has subjugated them for centuries. I get that people are loyalist. I just don't understand why. The fact that any people from the island of Ireland would be loyal to the English queen whether they're from Scottish descent or not just blows my mind.

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Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own governments that could honour their citizens.

I have no problem with people from the Celtic nations being recognised. I just think it's weird that they would accept an award from I institution that has subjugated them for centuries. I get that people are loyalist. I just don't understand why. The fact that any people from the island of Ireland would be loyal to the English queen whether they're from Scottish descent or not just blows my mind.

It is the Government that selects the recipients, not the Royal family. Would you prefer BJ sent certificate in the post. If an individual doesn’t want to accept then so be it. As for Drakeford or Sturgeon handing out gongs, yes of course that could be done and some recipients might enjoy that; not sure how many?

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That's 9 separate personal allowances - clever accounting.
He may be paying a lot of tax, but is it the right amount?

All of his Mercedes salary is paid in UK as the company is based in Bracknall or somewhere near there, and he pays full UK tax on all of it. He pays far far more than any of his detractors

It really sickens me when people slag off someone who earns a lot of money. It just stinks of envy.
Yes I know there are some high profile people who cheat but then there are exceptions to everything.
Show me one person who wouldn't want to maximise their income and I'd show you a liar! He earns what he earns because he is the best at what he does.

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Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own governments that could honour their citizens.

I have no problem with people from the Celtic nations being recognised. I just think it's weird that they would accept an award from I institution that has subjugated them for centuries. I get that people are loyalist. I just don't understand why. The fact that any people from the island of Ireland would be loyal to the English queen whether they're from Scottish descent or not just blows my mind.

I believe that the committee that considers honours actually get recommendations from the devolved leaders.

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[QUOTE=City123;5151637]I don't think they announce who's turned them down until a while after. I think I'm right in saying that LS Lowry holds the record in turning down the most "honours". This is what Ballard had to say when he turned his down and I think he pretty much nails it: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ec/22/uk.books[/QUOTE

Do they announce who were offered one and turned it down?
In my memory it is the people who turn down an award who announce it. After all there is no good having a flounce if no one knows about it.