No new roads

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Do you think he's the one making all of the decisions?

Definitely!! total dictator.

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No, that's not what I'm saying. I remember reading an article (I think posted on here) years ago which showed that if you have a prosperous area and a not so prosperous area - building a bigger road between the two actually mostly benefts the prosperous area.

The example given was north Wales, where new roads had just hastened the flow of wealth to places like Liverpool and Chester.

England's road network is incredibly London Centric, and as a result London businesses soak up a lot of additional trade
Improving infrastructure without directing everything towards the existing bigger centres would actually help some areas more. A bit like the city region stuff I guess.

I agree with your basic point, but you have to have some kind of quality road system to encourage enterprise to set up in these regions. Imagine company wanting to set up in south wales, they may look for a good area but do you think they would seriously look much further than the end on the M4. north Wales doesn't even have that and if this proposal takes root the road to address that problem will not be built for many years to come. That cannot be good.
The Road system is deliberately London centric, it is the hub of all road numbering in the whole of mainland Britain. But it has been so since long before motorways and dual carriageways and much as we'd like we will never change it

[Der Kaiser]

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talking of cars Birmingham has just adopted a clean air zone around the city basically meaning if your car doesn't meet the euro 6 emission standard you will have to pay a charge for non compliant cars

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/emissions/the-birmingham-clean-air-zone-what-you-need-to-know/

think this will be hitting the likes of Cardiff and Bristol in the not so distant future

it will work effectively in Brum as it got good rail and bus transport links in and around the city although heavily congested but I don't think Cardiff or Bristol have the same infrastructure if they plan on taking us off the roads and onto public transport

just look at East Cardiff not 1 rail station in operation yet !

Think Clean Air Zone's will be the future of charging motorists. From the council's perspective they should've followed Nottingham's lead and introduced a Workplace Parking Levy, they paid for their tram system with theirs, increased public transport usage and reduced emissions. With covid being in our lives and the almost certain change to peoples working habits and office usage, a WPL wouldn't work as well anymore I imagine.

Many of the schemes the council are trying to implement are the right idea, just being pushed about by one too many bluetits.

[Der Kaiser]

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I'm pretty sure I did a study like this in university and I remember the outcome being that both improved but the bigger cities more quickly and economically. However not building the road would mean the opposite.

The valleys are basically 1 road in 1 road out communities and as such are strangling themselves.

Speaking of economics, its been proved cycle routes improve trade in shopping areas but there's a lot of people in this country who don't like listening to experts, so that would fall on deaf ears. They just think the council are trying to kill the city centre.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Have a gander at the cycle lanes in Cardiff City centre though, thousands using them , NOT

..so the cars are all forced onto other roads which would therefore be more congested, driving slower, emitting CO2 for longer as they stand idle. The good news is in a few years time your car probably won't be able to fill up with diesel or the new E10 petrol, so you can use the cycle lane to keep warm in winter because the £10k you've just had to spiff out on an air source heat pump [because your gas boiler is now illegal] barely warms your house because you couldn't afford 20ft wide radiators or underfloor heating.

Happy days !!

[BLUETIT]

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..so the cars are all forced onto other roads which would therefore be more congested, driving slower, emitting CO2 for longer as they stand idle. The good news is in a few years time your car probably won't be able to fill up with diesel or the new E10 petrol, so you can use the cycle lane to keep warm in winter because the £10k you've just had to spiff out on an air source heat pump [because your gas boiler is now illegal] barely warms your house because you couldn't afford 20ft wide radiators or underfloor heating.

Happy days !!

READ THE THREAD !!!!!

I use all buses now as they are free for old gits like me .

[lennybluebird]

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WHATS THE POINT WE CANT MANTAIN THE ONES WE GOT, BESIDE WHAT THEY SAVE WILL MORE THAN PAY FOR THE 40 EXTRA BODS IN GOVERNMENT...

[tforturton]

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This is a farcical decision, and is typical of the Welsh Government. They hate motorists.
Apart from anything else, the figures clearly state that transport provides 17% of carbon emissions. SO WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 83%? What are they planning to do about that? After 2030, the law will prevent you buying a petrol or diesel car, so in theory, emissions will reduce, albeit gradually. In the meantime, they could replace all busses with electric (easy to charge them overnight at the terminus) and insist all taxis go electric by 2030.

But apart from all that, let's not beat around the bush here - Wales is already a backwater, and this will just make it worse. The biggest reason for a lack of investment is the state of the M4, and everyone knows it. When the UK Government threatened to build it, the WAG should have jumped at the chance. But no, they're all short-sighted nitwits, and would rather that we all suffer than be seen to take anything from a Tory government. They're pathetic.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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..so the cars are all forced onto other roads which would therefore be more congested, driving slower, emitting CO2 for longer as they stand idle. The good news is in a few years time your car probably won't be able to fill up with diesel or the new E10 petrol, so you can use the cycle lane to keep warm in winter because the £10k you've just had to spiff out on an air source heat pump [because your gas boiler is now illegal] barely warms your house because you couldn't afford 20ft wide radiators or underfloor heating.

Happy days !!

FACTCHECK

Gas boilers are not illegal. Gas boilers will be banned from new homes from 2025 but there is no plan to make them illegal altogether.

[splott parker]

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Yes !!!!

Behind the scenes, the man is a tyrant. His troops fear him.

He’s not a nice man to get the wrong side of

Do nice blokes make good leaders? I don’t mix with him so his demeanour doesn’t affect me but his decisions do and, on the whole, they’re ok, I’m above ground and breathing after a 16 month or so pandemic. Most leaders have to have a ruthless, nasty streak I’d imagine, Johnson certainly has but I reckon he’s more for himself than Mark is. I’m glad we’ve got Mark rather than the buffoon Johnson.

[FungoFurore]

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In my experiences dealing with Mark Drakeford he's certainly not come across as a tyrant. May not have been that many times, but I'm pretty sure you're talking absolute bollocks Bluetit

[willo1927]

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I’m a bus man, since I got my pensioners pass

Waiting for a bus on Sunday afternoon, not one cyclist was using the cycle lanes. Not one bike to be seen

No
They are too busy clogging up the roads
Really irritating when they dawdle along having a nice chat while there's a traffic jam behind them

[The Bloop]

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I’m a bus man, since I got my pensioners pass

Waiting for a bus on Sunday afternoon, not one cyclist was using the cycle lanes. Not one bike to be seen

Guess there's not too many cars around at that time either.

Anyway, here's another £330k well spent

BBC News - Planned Cardiff £330,000 bus lane trims 40 seconds off travel time

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57571881

[xsnaggle]

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Speaking of economics, its been proved cycle routes improve trade in shopping areas but there's a lot of people in this country who don't like listening to experts, so that would fall on deaf ears. They just think the council are trying to kill the city centre.

Expert = An ex is a has-been and a spurt is a drip under pressure. Experts generally are only interested in trying to demonstrate how clever they are. In actual real time work they are less than useless

[xsnaggle]

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In my experiences dealing with Mark Drakeford he's certainly not come across as a tyrant. May not have been that many times, but I'm pretty sure you're talking absolute bollocks Bluetit

I know 3 people who have either worked for or close to him, and they would agree with blue tit 100%. The words used describing him were dictatorial uninterested in opinions stubborn and the like. Needless to say none of them work near him any more.