roaming charges

[blue matt]

Re: roaming charges

[QUOTE=Optimistic Nick;5213221]Legitimately. We are all losers - that is the point. It was a bad idea and a bad decision and we all have to pay the price for the ignorance of a small majority. QUOTE]

is that the same 51.89% who voted for Brexit ? ? ? or were only the deciding 3.78% ignorant

[Allez Allez Allez]

Re: roaming charges

[QUOTE=blue matt;5213427]

Legitimately. We are all losers - that is the point. It was a bad idea and a bad decision and we all have to pay the price for the ignorance of a small majority. QUOTE]

is that the same 51.89% who voted for Brexit ? ? ? or were only the deciding 3.78% ignorant

Supermarket shelves empty whatever time of day or week you go, much less fruit, much less veg, prices creeping up and 100,000 shortage of drivers. Add on the extra delays for goods coming via ports, stories of food producers literally dumping their food, fishermen dumping their catches in the sea, and an extra cost for anyone that has the audacity to use a phone in Europe and it is clear that 51.89% were completely ignorant to these facts - all of which were brought up during the referendum.

But, when one can boast about having £10k burning a hole in one's pocket, I suspect that one sees an extra cost as something that is not a problem.

[Allez Allez Allez]

Re: roaming charges

Legitimately. We are all losers - that is the point. It was a bad idea and a bad decision and we all have to pay the price for the ignorance of a small majority. We've every right to moan. Roaming charges is just a small part of it. Guess what it costs a UK merchant to process a credit card payment from an EU customer post-brexit? 5 times more than it used to. Guess what it costs an EU merchant to accept a card payment from a UK customer? 5 times more than it used to.

Do you have any idea what is going to happen when businesses here are going to need fuller customs clearances from Oct? Do you know how many pieces of a information a standard truck delivering produce to a supermarket will need? And even if they get it right 99.9% of the time - you are looking at a significant proportion of trucks being delayed by about a day, taking a day off the shelf life. These are real consequences for important sectors and we will all suffer for it.

The bad consequences of Brexit are everywhere. It is going to affect us all for the worse, and I still cannot see any benefits (realised or potential) that come close to balancing out the downsides.

It's all about immigration. People voted to keep the immigrants out. Of course, it was pointed out that a lot of immigrants do work that British people don't. For example, fruit picking where applications have slumped by 90%, and no it isn't because of covid.

[Optimistic Nick]

Re: roaming charges

[QUOTE=blue matt;5213427]

Legitimately. We are all losers - that is the point. It was a bad idea and a bad decision and we all have to pay the price for the ignorance of a small majority. QUOTE]

is that the same 51.89% who voted for Brexit ? ? ? or were only the deciding 3.78% ignorant

The 51.89% obviously. In what world would 3.78% be a small majority?

When we all return to work after Covid, the calamitous impact of Brexit will be more visible. Where is the upside? Even the entirely token "victories" that were won, such as the fishing quota and free trade, have turned out to be defeats. UK fishermen are much worse off (just ask them); we've got a free trade agreement, but the requirements at borders are a bigger issue in many industries anyway - they often place insurmountable costs on certain businesses or products so we will see those businesses stop trading or reducing product lines/choice.

If anybody voted for Brexit in expectation of these sorts of issues then they are idiots. If anyone voted for it without bothering to understand what it would mean, or actually believing Farage's "they will crumble" bullsh!t, then they are ignorant. Basic politics tells you that the EU or the other Member States would never let this be anything other than a painful mistake for the UK, and that is what it is.

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: roaming charges

Looking at my options it’s going to be $10 per day.

[lardy]

Re: roaming charges

is that the same 51.89% who voted for Brexit ? ? ? or were only the deciding 3.78% ignorant

I don't think the 51.89% who voted for Brexit are ignorant.

A good 0.1% of them stand to make a lot of money out of it. I can see why they were full steam ahead.

[Croesy Blue]

Re: roaming charges

Still waiting for one actual tangible benefit of brexit after all this time that we could have just done anyway.

People who voted brexit still defending it by ignoring the actual evidence in this thread too. They’ll never admit they were sold a dud, gladly voted for it and still defend it to this day.

Economy - worse
Travelling - worse
Trading with other countries - worse
Importing - worse
Exporting - worse
Food standards - worse
Poorer areas of the country - worse off
Fishing - worse

Can anyone give me a genuine benefit that was worth ****ing up all that for

The whole rest of the world is still shocked that we left a genuine free trade agreement with a huge economy (where we were still allowed more freedom than the other countries) for no benefit. Unless you’re a multi millionaire and use tax havens that is. Greedy ***** misleading voters by lying yet again, yet people still defend them.

[Croesy Blue]

Re: roaming charges

is that the same 51.89% who voted for Brexit ? ? ? or were only the deciding 3.78% ignorant

Lots were misled and didn’t understand the consequences and believed what they were sold. You could call that ignorance but that takes the blame off the lying politicians.

It’s why referenda don’t really work, the average person doesn’t have the time to become fully educated in a topic and it’s why we voted for proportional representation. The unfortunate thing about brexit is billionaires were allow you lie through their teeth and have now ****ed everything up so they can make themselves even richer.

I can’t believe people still defend it even with all the evidence. But then people on here seem to have form with ignoring evidence to let their emotional biases take over.

[Optimistic Nick]

Re: roaming charges

I can’t believe people still defend it even with all the evidence. But then people on here seem to have form with ignoring evidence to let their emotional biases take over.

I'm not sure that I see that many people defending "it" i.e. making any argument that this has been a good thing. I see lots of people defending themselves and that they are not to blame for it. And in many ways they are not. Years of Daily Mail nonsense and then a spineless man called Cameron should carry a lot of this. But not to expend any effort in working out what Brexit would mean does make you ignorant.

I also see a lot of people saying that Brexit isn't just about the economy. And I do see that. I see that people might be worried about the speed at which the way of life in the UK is changing, driven by immigration. But what are they actually expecting to happen? If that was your stance - is the net reduction in immigration enough of a benefit to pay for the price of the economic damage caused? That is what is missing - anyone saying "I voted Brexit for [X] and there is evidence that [x] has happened so I got it right".

[Croesy Blue]

Re: roaming charges

I'd accept that if immigration was actually as big a problem as the press and the government make it out to be but net immigration isn't even very high in this country (usually around +300,000 a year, in the grand scheme of things nothing).

Also we always had the power to control it, look at how France controls immigration even from other EU countries.

[ninian opinian]

Re: roaming charges

I kid you not. A woman in her late 60s told me last week it was all worth it because she could have a blue passport cover. She also told me if I didn’t like Brexit I could always go and live in France.

That’s the point though, you took that right away from me.

[Rjk]

Re: roaming charges

I'd accept that if immigration was actually as big a problem as the press and the government make it out to be but net immigration isn't even very high in this country (usually around +300,000 a year, in the grand scheme of things nothing).

Also we always had the power to control it, look at how France controls immigration even from other EU countries.

imagine the cuisine in this country if it wasn't for immigration.
horrendous

[Optimistic Nick]

Re: roaming charges

I'd accept that if immigration was actually as big a problem as the press and the government make it out to be but net immigration isn't even very high in this country (usually around +300,000 a year, in the grand scheme of things nothing).

Also we always had the power to control it, look at how France controls immigration even from other EU countries.

Well 300k+ a year is a city the size of Cardiff - it's not nothing. In 20 years that is 10% of the population. It is quite high even compared to other westen countries. Whether that is a problem is another matter of course.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: roaming charges

I'd accept that if immigration was actually as big a problem as the press and the government make it out to be but net immigration isn't even very high in this country (usually around +300,000 a year, in the grand scheme of things nothing).

Also we always had the power to control it, look at how France controls immigration even from other EU countries.

Since when has 300,000 people been nothing

[life on mars]

Re: roaming charges

Still waiting for one actual tangible benefit of brexit after all this time that we could have just done anyway.

People who voted brexit still defending it by ignoring the actual evidence in this thread too. They’ll never admit they were sold a dud, gladly voted for it and still defend it to this day.

Economy - worse
Travelling - worse
Trading with other countries - worse
Importing - worse
Exporting - worse
Food standards - worse
Poorer areas of the country - worse off
Fishing - worse

Can anyone give me a genuine benefit that was worth ****ing up all that for

The whole rest of the world is still shocked that we left a genuine free trade agreement with a huge economy (where we were still allowed more freedom than the other countries) for no benefit. Unless you’re a multi millionaire and use tax havens that is. Greedy ***** misleading voters by lying yet again, yet people still defend them.

Vaccine administration was a lot quicker and probably saved lives