No Plan A No Plan B -nothing.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Keep reading my posts like you are doing now- you’ll learn something

now I know why lions kill their young

[Llandaff Blue]

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fecking staggering

A team has qualified for the euros , got out of the group and lost to a very good Denmark side

Robert Page is crap , the players are useless

Its like the living dead on here

Nothing wrong with criticism, our performance was terrible and if Giggs is found guilty and gets sacked I'd hope we don't go forward with Page as manager. The players were fantastic against Turkey, fortunate to get a point off of the Swiss but sadly were out played today, that was largely down to our ineffective set up and tactics.

No-one has said the players are useless, you are being your usual hyperbolic self.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Nothing wrong with criticism, our performance was terrible and if Giggs is found guilty and gets sacked I'd hope we don't go forward with Page as manager. The players were fantastic against Turkey, fortunate to get a point off of the Swiss but sadly were out played today, that was largely down to our ineffective set up and tactics.

No-one has said the players are useless, you are being your usual hyperbolic self.

Pathetic display , midfield is a shambles , out of our depth

Ff sake with friends like that who needs enemies

The miserable entitlement ridden attitude of a large number of cardiff city fans is mirrored in the so called support of the national team

We qualified and did really well in 2016

We qualified and didn't do so well in 2021

What do people want ? F3cking Jones Town Massacre ?

[Des Parrot]

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The 2016 vintage had Bale and Ramsay at their prime, a younger Joe Allen and a better defence. Unless we can produce another couple of world class players in the near future, our level of expectation should be lowered considerably.

A game too far today but your comments are spot on Welsh football in general has had a golden generation with Wales, City & the Jacks being successful, long may it continue but tempered with realism, as the 30 somethings move on, we’ll have to adapt and find the true level of the future team.

(But I have a feeling that will be after the next World Cup, twice at the Euros but no World Cup opportunity may still tempt Bale & Rambo)

[Llandaff Blue]

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Pathetic display , midfield is a shambles , out of our depth

Ff sake with friends like that who needs enemies

The miserable entitlement ridden attitude of a large number of cardiff city fans is mirrored in the so called support of the national team

We qualified and did really well in 2016

We qualified and didn't do so well in 2021

What do people want ? F3cking Jones Town Massacre ?

Yeah the midfield is a shambles, can't retain the ball or win it back. Sadly that's what you get with a Luton town backup. I don't know what you expect really, we've just been done 4-0 and had about 3 shots on goal. "So called support" Have a day off mate, I've spent enough money following Wales around and seen some horror shows, I'm grateful we are actually qualifying for tournaments but I won't overlook that performance just cause I used to see us get beat by the Montenegro's of the world

No-one is entitled, I didn't even expect us to get a win at this tournament let alone get out the group stage. I thought Denmark would beat us because frankly they are a much better team, but I expected much better than that. Is that wrong?

[blue matt]

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lets be honest, Wales are limited in the number of quality players we can pick, always have been, we are unable to put world class players in every position

Team work / team spirit / hard graft / together stronger can only take you so far, 2016 it worked well and got us way further than most expected, it was great

we thought we might have had a few young kids who were going to be world class players, Harry and Brookes being maybe the 2 best, they are just lower 1/2 prem players

lets hope for one last hurrah from the old boys, Bale, Rambo etc etc, Qatar might be a decent trip

[Pearcey3]

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lets be honest, Wales are limited in the number of quality players we can pick, always have been, we are unable to put world class players in every position

Team work / team spirit / hard graft / together stronger can only take you so far, 2016 it worked well and got us way further than most expected, it was great

we thought we might have had a few young kids who were going to be world class players, Harry and Brookes being maybe the 2 best, they are just lower 1/2 prem players

lets hope for one last hurrah from the old boys, Bale, Rambo etc etc, Qatar might be a decent trip

Spot on. I hope that before I die I get to see Wales play in the World Cup Finals. We won’t win our qualifying group. We may not even finish second but the Nations League will give us that play off opportunity. I hope Bale stays to see us through.

[AfricanBluebird]

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Nice to read some realism, we qualify for one tournament, do better than anyone could have expected and, based on some of the post match comments on here tonight, some acquire a sense of entitlement totally out of keeping with what being a Wales fan has been historically - the OPs just a wind up merchant mind.

I think the future is bright for Cymru football.

Many things conspired against us..

- Page WAS out if his depths and had no plan B
- We were shafted by UEFA in terms of locations for our games
- the refereeing has been appalling in our games - - Ampadu was a loss... Never a red
- Moore booked for jumping when his opponent didn't, gets booked and then has to be careful all game
- the foul on Moore before their second would have been given 99 times out of 100.. the ref was completely out of his depths
- James has zero protection throughout the tournament


While these seem like excuses I acknowledge last night was overall a poor game for us

However, apart from changing managers, I don't think any of these things point to us needing a complete 'overhaul'... We are punching above our weight and have a wonderful group of players

Bale can still be of great service to Wales... Page git his position wrong.

Ramsey has been good overall... Against Italy and Hungary he showed what a class act he is.

I know everyone is disappointed, but some of the overreacting on here is remarkable.

[Toadstool]

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Some people on here are saying the same thing England fans do and we laugh at them
For it.
Hypocrites

[Allez Allez Allez]

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Pathetic display all round. No idea no urgency no nothing. It was all too easy for a classy Danish team. Big sort out needed, and this game shows how far behind they are. They got away with it in the group but not today. Don’t blame Page- he’s got no quality to work with. It’s a long road back, and perhaps the hype will now die down.

Question. Was it a level playing field? I mean Euro 2020?

Take Switzerland.

First game in Baku -
Second game in Rome -
Third game in Baku -

Three games in 8 days and 12,140 km travelled - 7587 miles

Take England.

First game in London.
Second game in London
Third game in London
Fourth game in London
Fifth game in Rome -
Sixth game in London -
Seventh game in London. Total distance travelled 2,200 miles in 5 weeks.

Take Denmark.

First game in Copenhagen
Second game in Copenhagen
Third game in Copenhagen
Fourth game in Amsterdam 493 miles

Apart from the first game against the Swiss, Wales played in front of a partisan crowd in all other games. We saw a tired performance yesterday, a lot of tired minds.

[Kind of Blue]

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Question. Was it a level playing field? I mean Euro 2020?

Take Switzerland.

First game in Baku -
Second game in Rome -
Third game in Baku -

Three games in 8 days and 12,140 km travelled - 7587 miles

Take England.

First game in London.
Second game in London
Third game in London
Fourth game in London
Fifth game in Rome -
Sixth game in London -
Seventh game in London. Total distance travelled 2,200 miles in 5 weeks.

Take Denmark.

First game in Copenhagen
Second game in Copenhagen
Third game in Copenhagen
Fourth game in Amsterdam 493 miles

Apart from the first game against the Swiss, Wales played in front of a partisan crowd in all other games. We saw a tired performance yesterday, a lot of tired minds.

An obscene format on a number of levels: sporting, environmental, public health, etc. One hopes this is the first and last time this format gets used. At the very least if you were to run with it then the home advantage that some countries have been handed simply shouldn’t be allowed.

[Kind of Blue]

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If an illustration were needed, both ourselves and the Swiss could’ve taken invitational berths for the Copa America this year comfortably with the distance both squads have travelled for the Euros.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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In footballing terms Wales were awful yesterday. Doesn't detract the overall achievements of our tiny nation, but that shouldn't blind us to the fact that we went out yesterday with a whimper - let's not forget Denmark's top scorer plus Errickson were absent.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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In footballing terms Wales were awful yesterday. Doesn't detract the overall achievements of our tiny nation, but that shouldn't blind us to the fact that we went out yesterday with a whimper - let's not forget Denmark's top scorer plus Errickson were absent.

far bigger player base than us , all over the pitch

[Kind of Blue]

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I do feel we restricted ourselves with the squad selection too. To go with just one recognised striker in Moore - who has played a full season and ran himself into the ground for the city - without any real backup save Colwill, who was never going to get on the pitch, seemed a little suspect at the time and a little foolish now. Not meaning to single him out as it’s just one example and no offence to Colwill, I hope he comes on for us this year, but experience aside including him in the camp for the tournament seemed a waste. Get him in the upcoming squads for the qualifiers and NL but not a tournament camp.

I’m not saying HRK or Volkes are world beaters or guaranteed to change a game but they both still play at a decent level, have experience, and provide fresh legs in a position where we just didn’t have any during these games.

Relatedly, Page seemed very unwilling to make substituons or change things around until far too late in all of the games (save Italy where the relatively early card forced the issue).